Originally Posted by jetflyer123

I was unaware that they already had that priority on Delta and United. I still assert that there was a better way to go about this though. Dictating to AA and AA pilots is only going to p*** guys off, clearly. You draw more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. With a new APA leadership team after getting rid of the former group of legacy AA guys, perhaps now was the time to attempt a discussion as to why this is benefiting both parties, and no, because we will deny your boarding priority is not a good approach. As a commuter airline, remember that the mainline carrier has the upper hand, and let’s face it, you’re dealing with pilots. You need to offer this idea As a reason why this is good for us (AA), but also benefits RAH. I would have stated that it would be beneficial to mainline pilots who commute on AAC airlines to see that someone had AAC FDJ status to use as a tool to better plan commutes. When a RAH guy is listed as a D6UJ, the AA guy has no way of knowing if he is RAH or any other airline’s jumpseater. By using AAC FDJ, the AA pilot now knows there is a 1 in 3 (or however many contract carriers still exist) chance that the AAC FDJ might be a pilot from that carrier. Dictating to a group of pilots and management that you are going to make a unilateral change is far less likely to achieve a desired outcome. Personally, had this been addressed differently I’d be very supportive of banding together to make a fair change, and I think a lot of other guys would too. Under different circumstances I’d happily support RAH in their efforts to achieve better JS priority on our flights. Dictating at the expense of mainline pilots commuting doesn’t make me, or most others eager to help. For the record, there are rumors that AA is making changes to the travel policy at the end of this year so it would have been an opportune time to work with us, not against us on the improvements you are seeking. I’d say it may behoove Republic to postpone implementation of this policy (think tariffs lol) and try to work on an amicable solution with the pilots at mainline and gain support from them rather than ****ing them off. Just my .02

Originally Posted by jetflyer123

Thanks Capt. Obvious. My point was that I’m sure they would like to have that priority on Delta and United too, essentially giving them priority over all other offline guys on 3 different airlines. That’s a pretty good deal. Now the FedEx guy gets bumped by the same exact pilot on United, Delta, and American, and that pilot doesn’t “work” for any of those flag carriers.

Originally Posted by AverageCoffee

Republic doesn’t have LAX or a JFK base.

Why didn’t the jumpseat committees from the other contract carriers help Republic? Do they not have this issue?

Originally Posted by jetflyer123

I was unaware that they already had that priority on Delta and United. I still assert that there was a better way to go about this though. Dictating to AA and AA pilots is only going to p*** guys off, clearly. You draw more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. With a new APA leadership team after getting rid of the former group of legacy AA guys, perhaps now was the time to attempt a discussion as to why this is benefiting both parties, and no, because we will deny your boarding priority is not a good approach. As a commuter airline, remember that the mainline carrier has the upper hand, and let’s face it, you’re dealing with pilots. You need to offer this idea As a reason why this is good for us (AA), but also benefits RAH. I would have stated that it would be beneficial to mainline pilots who commute on AAC airlines to see that someone had AAC FDJ status to use as a tool to better plan commutes. When a RAH guy is listed as a D6UJ, the AA guy has no way of knowing if he is RAH or any other airline’s jumpseater. By using AAC FDJ, the AA pilot now knows there is a 1 in 3 (or however many contract carriers still exist) chance that the AAC FDJ might be a pilot from that carrier. Dictating to a group of pilots and management that you are going to make a unilateral change is far less likely to achieve a desired outcome. Personally, had this been addressed differently I’d be very supportive of banding together to make a fair change, and I think a lot of other guys would too. Under different circumstances I’d happily support RAH in their efforts to achieve better JS priority on our flights. Dictating at the expense of mainline pilots commuting doesn’t make me, or most others eager to help. For the record, there are rumors that AA is making changes to the travel policy at the end of this year so it would have been an opportune time to work with us, not against us on the improvements you are seeking. I’d say it may behoove Republic to postpone implementation of this policy (think tariffs lol) and try to work on an amicable solution with the pilots at mainline and gain support from them rather than ****ing them off. Just my .02

Originally Posted by Jungle Jim

It has been said over and over and over again in this thread that YX has tried for YEARS to get something changed while upholding a truly nonreciprocal JS agreement with AA. All efforts have been met with silence or apathy. You're fanning the flames of something that isn't really there. I see what point you're trying to make, but you're using false information to back up your claims. The jumpseat still belongs to us NOT AA, and we're just upholding true reciprocality of a jumpseat agreement. You can't manifest destiny something that doesn't belong to you without some heads clashing. The only to fix this is for AA to lower the bar on par with industry standard or YX will just keep our policies in line with AA. That's reciprocality.

Originally Posted by jetflyer123

You’ve also been dealing with APA leadership that was all legacy AA. You have a whole new group in there now as of July with rumored changes to the travel policy at the end of this year being discussed. Could have been a different outcome. I’m also not asserting that the jumpseat belongs to AA. What I did assert is that all the seats in the back DO belong to AA, and so does the AAC travel. Outside of letting you ride on Republic metal, AA doesn’t have to give you anything else and could just tell you to fly on us like any other offline airline by buying a ZED fare for your family or commuting as a D6 without the AAC luxury of priority for seats in the back. Again, not saying that would happen, but who holds the stacked deck here? The jumpseat is one seat on your plane. Our priority system does in fact truly own the other 76 with the exception of you riding on your metal as part of your contract with AA.

Originally Posted by jetflyer123

You’ve also been dealing with APA leadership that was all legacy AA. You have a whole new group in there now as of July with rumored changes to the travel policy at the end of this year being discussed. Could have been a different outcome. I’m also not asserting that the jumpseat belongs to AA. What I did assert is that all the seats in the back DO belong to AA, and so does the AAC travel. Outside of letting you ride on Republic metal, AA doesn’t have to give you anything else and could just tell you to fly on us like any other offline airline by buying a ZED fare for your family or commuting as a D6 without the AAC luxury of priority for seats in the back. Again, not saying that would happen, but who holds the stacked deck here? The jumpseat is one seat on your plane. Our priority system does in fact truly own the other 76 with the exception of you riding on your metal as part of your contract with AA.

Originally Posted by jetflyer123

You’ve also been dealing with APA leadership that was all legacy AA. You have a whole new group in there now as of July with rumored changes to the travel policy at the end of this year being discussed. Could have been a different outcome. I’m also not asserting that the jumpseat belongs to AA. What I did assert is that all the seats in the back DO belong to AA, and so does the AAC travel. Outside of letting you ride on Republic metal, AA doesn’t have to give you anything else and could just tell you to fly on us like any other offline airline by buying a ZED fare for your family or commuting as a D6 without the AAC luxury of priority for seats in the back. Again, not saying that would happen, but who holds the stacked deck here? The jumpseat is one seat on your plane. Our priority system does in fact truly own the other 76 with the exception of you riding on your metal as part of your contract with AA.

Originally Posted by jetflyer123

You’ve also been dealing with APA leadership that was all legacy AA. You have a whole new group in there now as of July with rumored changes to the travel policy at the end of this year being discussed. Could have been a different outcome. I’m also not asserting that the jumpseat belongs to AA. What I did assert is that all the seats in the back DO belong to AA, and so does the AAC travel. Outside of letting you ride on Republic metal, AA doesn’t have to give you anything else and could just tell you to fly on us like any other offline airline by buying a ZED fare for your family or commuting as a D6 without the AAC luxury of priority for seats in the back. Again, not saying that would happen, but who holds the stacked deck here? The jumpseat is one seat on your plane. Our priority system does in fact truly own the other 76 with the exception of you riding on your metal as part of your contract with AA.