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Old 10-22-2019, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by AV8Tor16 View Post
I’ve always found the hypocrisy entertaining. Airline pilots hating other airline pilots for being able to game the system better. It seems mil leave is no worse than bidding a bunch of lines, only to drop them so that you can pick up time and a half pay over someone else, or just not work at all. You are still gaming the system in your favor to maximize pay or to benefit you in some way


Who complains about being able to drop your line to pickup?

I can see straight pickup of extra time with guys on furlough being ethically questionable but not what you’re describing.
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Old 10-23-2019, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cocktimusprime View Post
I agree with contrails. A LOT of guys getting hired at AA with hardly any intention of working until they get their military retirement. Kind of craps on your “bros” as a few have mentioned. We all appreciate your service, but it’s a double-dipping racket.
How are the military guys dropping mil leave 'crapping on their bros', exactly? Have you seen a reduction in military hiring? I haven't. Or were you talking about them crapping on the civilian bros like yourself? How have you been affected, exactly?

Tell me, if you had the opportunity to get a seniority number and make 50-60k more than first year airline pay, plus spend more time at home with your family (vs sitting in a hotel room at a domicile away from home) - would you do it?

Or are you, 'cocktimusprime', such the company man - that you're going to tell your wife you're going to forfeit 50-60k that year plus time at home with her and the kids because you think it's the right thing to do?

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I'd like to caveat that in the above (former) example you'd continue to serve your country and work your ass off at your military squadron. You'd be flying a lot, and most likely have at least two extra jobs at your squadron outside of flying. For instance, creating the flying schedule each day and PROJO'ing an upcoming TDY. Not just sitting around in the vault. All completely allowable per USERRA law, btw.
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:50 AM
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They are "crapping" on everyone, regardless of background who actually intends to work for the job they applied for. Embedded military management has a soft spot for and preferential hiring for military pilots(50%!). Every other applicant, again, regardless of background, may be being overlooked to hire a pilot who has little to no intention of working for AA until they receive their military retirement. I get it, it's legal, you're my hero and "protected." Simply calling the practice OUT.
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Old 10-30-2019, 12:25 PM
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Part of the reason SWA "favored" military guys was they didn't take the health insurance, saving the company quite a bit of money. I'm not saying that is AA's thinking but interesting point nonetheless.
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Old 10-30-2019, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User View Post
Part of the reason SWA "favored" military guys was they didn't take the health insurance, saving the company quite a bit of money. I'm not saying that is AA's thinking but interesting point nonetheless.
SWA also forcibly pairs military pilots with prior 121 hires because they don't know what they're doing in training.

Part of TWA's demise was a ton of employees on the books that never worked. 1 out of 4 if I remember correctly. AA isn't a government agency; it can run out of money, it can go bankrupt, everyone can lose their jobs, we must turn a profit to exist. A few of us have fairly vivid experiences of bankruptcies turning careers sour. If you want to flagrantly jeopardize that for your own selfish benefit then yes, you're putting everyone at risk.
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SWA also forcibly pairs military pilots with prior 121 hires because they don't know what they're doing in training.

Part of TWA's demise was a ton of employees on the books that never worked. 1 out of 4 if I remember correctly. AA isn't a government agency; it can run out of money, it can go bankrupt, everyone can lose their jobs, we must turn a profit to exist. A few of us have fairly vivid experiences of bankruptcies turning careers sour. If you want to flagrantly jeopardize that for your own selfish benefit then yes, you're putting everyone at risk.
I don't really see how "employing" someone who isn't getting paid is the same as paying people to not work though.

I mean I get it, it's kinda a dick move, but the company hasn't really indicated it has an issue with it.

You'd think you'd see the same prejudices at other carriers if it was an issue, especially at a place like SWA.
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Old 10-30-2019, 02:46 PM
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Moderators.... can we get these type of threads moved to the military forum? They are never productive and just turn into a stupid ****ing match that benefits no one...
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Old 10-30-2019, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Covfefe View Post
Moderators.... can we get these type of threads moved to the military forum? They are never productive and just turn into a stupid ****ing match that benefits no one...
I left it here because it's AA-specific.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I left it here because it's AA-specific.
Yeah... just look at all the constructive responses when you’d otherwise get valuable answers in the mil forum... good call bro...
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Old 10-30-2019, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Name User View Post
I don't really see how "employing" someone who isn't getting paid is the same as paying people to not work though.

I mean I get it, it's kinda a dick move, but the company hasn't really indicated it has an issue with it.

You'd think you'd see the same prejudices at other carriers if it was an issue, especially at a place like SWA.
What does the training float at AA look like with 20% of the pilots coming and going out of currency? Returning to the school house when their seniority can hold another type only to bounce out again on leave so they don't have to sit reserve on it? How many more people does AA have to interview and employ as a result? Not just on the line, in the training center, HR, payroll, you name it.

The 'company' aka flight ops management doesn't have a problem with it because they come from the same background and view this as a flying club.

They never feel the heat of our shoddy financial performance until it comes time to hand out furlough notices, and even then the status quo is untouchable.

As a whole this is the systematic attitude problem that plagues this airline and sets it apart from companies like Southwest/Delta.
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