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Old 11-02-2019, 07:38 PM   #71  
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Southwest tends to be the most friendly of people exploring the MLOA envelope (if I may use a euphemism), based on my anecdotal experience in my last two squadrons. Other than that I would agree, I don't see AA differing too wildly from the mean across part 121 when it comes to junior folks exploiting the benefits of USERRA in airline employment.
about the only way I can think of that an airline could deter MLOA is to place a higher weight on or have a requirement for a certain amount of civilian(121 and 135) flying in the hiring process. this would have the effect of maybe getting fewer military pilots. this is very problematic for airlines though given the large number of pilots separating from the Armed service and I can't think of an airline that would do this (I think this would be a bad idea all around). USERRA is very clear that there is absolutely nothing your civilian employer can do if you choose to take long or short term mil leave as long as you do so within the guidelines of USERRA (which heavily favor members of the armed service over their employer). this was discussed on another thread in the UAL forum but at this point it is a cost that the Gov't is happy to make cooperations pay.
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[QUOTE=GucciBoy;2916772]Were you too young to serve in the Armed Forces in the years after 9/11? Because, you know, you coulda had a win/win-type deal happening if you were a trained pilot anywhere in that timeframe. You could serve your country AND be able to “crap on” all kinds of “bros” going on long-term mil while at the same time doing absolutely nothing just “sitting at the squadron.” The world was your oyster and you blew it I suppose. I admit it’s hard to resist the glitz of the regionals, plus you would’ve had “no idea what you were doing” when you got to AA, so that would’ve been a bummer.

Sounds like you may have some regrets.
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Old 11-03-2019, 08:23 PM   #74  
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No response from Varsity.

Tap out noted. You’re a fraud.
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You spelled “because they know how to fly planes but aren’t familiar with 121 ops“ and “Carl Icahn” wrong in the above paragraphs so I fixed it for you.
Oh wow!

Flight instructors know how to fly airplanes, but aren't familiar with 121 ops. By your standards AA should hire them. Same boat as the .mil guys!

Carl Ichan bought TWA in 1988. It went bankrupt and restructured in 1992 as a result of his raiding. The bankruptcy in the 2000's was a result of entirely different causes; 9/11 traffic decline, Too many unproductive employees, and debt related to a botched late 90's fleet renewal program. (sounds like a spitting image of AA today) But hey, don't let a little history get in the way of your opinion man!

What's different about SWA and Delta? Have you seen their hiring process? They hire people who show up and work hard no matter the circumstances, it's what propels their reputation and goodwill in the public domain. Do they have threads on APC asking when to dip out on their employer for personal benifit? No, they screened out those people.
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Oh wow!

Flight instructors know how to fly airplanes, but aren't familiar with 121 ops. By your standards AA should hire them. Same boat as the .mil guys!

Carl Ichan bought TWA in 1988. It went bankrupt and restructured in 1992 as a result of his raiding. The bankruptcy in the 2000's was a result of entirely different causes; 9/11 traffic decline, Too many unproductive employees, and debt related to a botched late 90's fleet renewal program. (sounds like a spitting image of AA today) But hey, don't let a little history get in the way of your opinion man!

What's different about SWA and Delta? Have you seen their hiring process? They hire people who show up and work hard no matter the circumstances, it's what propels their reputation and goodwill in the public domain. Do they have threads on APC asking when to dip out on their employer for personal benifit? No, they screened out those people.


Just to reiterate, you’re equating a CFI with someone who has thousands of hours of turbine (most likely a majority of that time PIC) because neither has flown 121? Solid argument there.

And TWA’s “unproductive employee” problems were related to underutilized maintenance personnel and overseas employees that were unable to be removed from payroll despite the drastic reduction in European flying by the airline, not military pilots going on leave.

Icahn took TWA private, saddled them with debt, remained a creditor after the 90s bankruptcy, and sold TWA segments at a loss via the internet for several years, but it was probably all the military pilots getting hired and dropping immediate long-term orders that took down the airline...

Also very hard to blame the bankruptcy on post-9/11 traffic declines when it happened in January of 2001. But, ya know, “don’t let a little history get in the way of your opinion man!”


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