When to take long term Mil leave
10-11-2019, 08:18 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
It’s not easy balancing the three legged stool (family, American, Reserve gig). In a year or 2 he’ll be doing everything he can to work less at the AF job. It’s a lot more work for a lot less pay. I even know guys who’ve simply quit the Reserve job.
10-13-2019, 11:48 AM
#12
On Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 17
I agree with contrails. A LOT of guys getting hired at AA with hardly any intention of working until they get their military retirement. Kind of craps on your “bros” as a few have mentioned. We all appreciate your service, but it’s a double-dipping racket.
10-13-2019, 04:30 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 63
I guess this will drive the requirement to hire even more new pilots.
Also, how can you blame the individuals who are doing this? It is legal and the difference to their families is huge. Who wouldn’t take an extra few years of seniority, legally, if able? To say you wouldn’t do the same thing is hard to believe. It’s simple human nature.
BTW I’m not one of these lucky individuals, I’m just not mad at them. It is the system.
Also, how can you blame the individuals who are doing this? It is legal and the difference to their families is huge. Who wouldn’t take an extra few years of seniority, legally, if able? To say you wouldn’t do the same thing is hard to believe. It’s simple human nature.
BTW I’m not one of these lucky individuals, I’m just not mad at them. It is the system.
10-13-2019, 07:15 PM
#14
On Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 17
I get it, but it seems disingenuous to apply for a job you have no intention of working . . . until you wrap up your military obligation. There are applicants who are being picked over for a person who doesn’t intend to fly for AA- yet. As a civilian I’m not allowed by AA to do any outside flying for hire/compensation. But the guard guys are protected by the military management we have nestled deep into our(dare I say) ranks.
10-14-2019, 07:04 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by cocktimusprime
I get it, but it seems disingenuous to apply for a job you have no intention of working . . . until you wrap up your military obligation. There are applicants who are being picked over for a person who doesn’t intend to fly for AA- yet. As a civilian I’m not allowed by AA to do any outside flying for hire/compensation. But the guard guys are protected by the military management we have nestled deep into our(dare I say) ranks.
These are the people protecting you and your family. Take a step back and think about that before you insult their character for “taking” a job from a non-mil pilot. For every Guard/Reserve pilot willing to forego the much better lifestyle of an airline pilot to continue to serve, the retention of their seniority and a military retirement are the least you can do to say thanks.
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10-14-2019, 07:45 AM
#18
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Posts: 65
Originally Posted by cocktimusprime
I get it, but it seems disingenuous to apply for a job you have no intention of working . . . until you wrap up your military obligation. There are applicants who are being picked over for a person who doesn’t intend to fly for AA- yet. As a civilian I’m not allowed by AA to do any outside flying for hire/compensation. But the guard guys are protected by the military management we have nestled deep into our(dare I say) ranks.
To say the "guard guys are protected by military management..." is a pretty ignorant statement. US military flight training is arguably one of the best pilot training processes in the world. Maybe this is why the airlines like a hire a few of them.
10-14-2019, 07:12 PM
#19
On Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 17
I knew it wouldn't take long to devolve into "how dare you insult military pilots," "military pilots are the best," and my favorite "we protect your family!" I've flown with many military-trained pilots over my last 14 years. They're no better or worse than any other professionally-trained aviator. I stand by my previous statement that it's a double-dipping racket, especially by those who avoid commuting for reserve with mil leave until they can hold what they want. P.S.- I'm married to a retired Army veteran so please spare me the education on how the reserve works. Even she thinks it's a racket!
10-14-2019, 09:15 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
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Originally Posted by cocktimusprime
I knew it wouldn't take long to devolve into "how dare you insult military pilots," "military pilots are the best," and my favorite "we protect your family!" I've flown with many military-trained pilots over my last 14 years. They're no better or worse than any other professionally-trained aviator. I stand by my previous statement that it's a double-dipping racket, especially by those who avoid commuting for reserve with mil leave until they can hold what they want. P.S.- I'm married to a retired Army veteran so please spare me the education on how the reserve works. Even she thinks it's a racket!
First, you nailed your screen name. Second, how do you work the rudder while you’re wearing those clown shoes?
Much respect to your wife. Too bad I can’t respect her enough for the both of you.
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