Ivana Humpalot

Does anyone have the link to an AA training video about disconnecting the auto pilot and auto throttles and fly the plane if you get a TCAS alert? I want to send this excellent video to friends.

Web265

Are you referring to "children of the magenta"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ESJH1NLMLs

Ivana Humpalot

That's it!!! Thank you

Brillo

Why would you want that old video? Half that stuff isn't even relevant anymore.

ShyGuy

I've always wondered about that portion of this video. Why was VanderBurgh caught off guard by the CA reacting to the TCAS via AP inputs?

Was there (or not) a clear memory item or written procedure for TCAS avoidance at AA in 1997 when this video was made? If there was, then this CA shouldn't have done what he did. If there was not, well maybe AA should have made a memory item for TCAS or had a procedure for TCAS which clearly says AP off, FDs off, etc.

vessbot

That’s beside the point. It’s not about policy in a manual, it’s about an inversion of the instinctual reaction of how to control the airplane in a sudden situation.

It’s like you’re driving a Tesla playing around with the Autopilot (to make the analogy maybe a little too on the nose) and when it suddenly starts veering toward a wall, instead of going “okay, that’s enough” and steering it away from the wall with the steering wheel (like any current driver would), you try to fiddle with the automation controls to get it to go the right way. Seems unthinkable to us, but I bet we’ll see this scenario in reality sooner rather than later.

When the “Autopilot” becomes the rule rather than the exception, and someone has been depending on it from the ground floor of their relationship to the vehicle, trained reflex (especially under the tunnel vision/task saturation of a situation suddenly turning wrong) will revert there.

drinksonme

I’ve heard this video, and the other ones, were involved in the lawsuits for AA 587. The emphasis on the rudder usage in some of the scenarios was used by the plaintiffs. That’s what a heard but have no data to back it up, other then word of mouth and how I am trained to stay OFF the rudders, or limit the input. Completely opposite of what this guy talks about in some of his presentation

DCDriver

I always thought of this as an excellent video until the recent design flaws with the 737MAX. Apparently the opposite action is the right action and this advice is relevant, sometimes

450knotOffice

The limitation we all have in our manuals as a result of the crash of AA587 is to avoid rapid rudder reversals. There is no limitation to actually USING the rudder. It's been a long time since I've seen that training video, but as I recall, he advocated using the rudder at very high angles of attack to help regain some roll control. I don't recall him mentioning rapid rudder reversals.

Buzzlightyear

450 your recollection is correct. He did not advocate full scale rapid deflection in the opposite direction.