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Old 12-08-2019, 08:57 PM
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I heard AA applied for and got the exemption for relief on the return leg for going up to 9:15 block time for 2-man island turns. Is this correct?

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Yup. That appears to be the case. AMOC for PHL-SJU-PHL on 75/76.
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Yup. That appears to be the case. AMOC for PHL-SJU-PHL on 75/76.
That's too bad. It takes away some extra high paying jobs when we do AUA and SXM turns on the little bus in PHL and DH an extra crew.
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Yikes... isn’t that a change to status quo? What is APA’s stance on it?
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Our contract(JB), codified that the 9 and 8 hours specifically.

Does yours say that, or something like “FAA maximums”?


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Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto View Post
Yup. That appears to be the case. AMOC for PHL-SJU-PHL on 75/76.
PHL-SJU-PHL shouldn’t be more than 8-ish hours right?
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Yikes... isn’t that a change to status quo? What is APA’s stance on it?
C. In the event FAR 14 CFR Part 117 is amended in a way that results in relaxing the previous standards required by the Regulations, the Company and the Association agree to review the specific provisions of Section 15 impacted by the amendment. Such relaxed standards and any related changes to Section 15 shall only be implemented by mutual agreement between the parties.
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C. In the event FAR 14 CFR Part 117 is amended in a way that results in relaxing the previous standards required by the Regulations, the Company and the Association agree to review the specific provisions of Section 15 impacted by the amendment. Such relaxed standards and any related changes to Section 15 shall only be implemented by mutual agreement between the parties.
Why would any American pilot be willing to give the company this? They don't implement any decent things for us. All these flights need to be double crewed.
The FAA already has screwed up the 737 Max oversight. They need to be challenged on this. They are not worth anything in oversight anymore. They always cede to managements wishes. Every pilot should write congress. ( not that they are up to anything either) but some congressman might want the press.
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
C. In the event FAR 14 CFR Part 117 is amended in a way that results in relaxing the previous standards required by the Regulations, the Company and the Association agree to review the specific provisions of Section 15 impacted by the amendment. Such relaxed standards and any related changes to Section 15 shall only be implemented by mutual agreement between the parties.
That actually didn't answer the question... is APA allowing it? or is it now discussion period?
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Why would any American pilot be willing to give the company this? They don't implement any decent things for us. All these flights need to be double crewed.
The FAA already has screwed up the 737 Max oversight. They need to be challenged on this. They are not worth anything in oversight anymore. They always cede to managements wishes. Every pilot should write congress. ( not that they are up to anything either) but some congressman might want the press.
This is 100% correct. They want to stall on section 6 why should we let up on this? There are still several items not implemented from the current contract.
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