Future of AA?
10-16-2021, 03:45 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Name User
Operationally speaking the company is firing on all cylinders after the summer of ridiculousness. They changed management's bonus structure to be 50% operational and guess what suddenly we stopped canceling. I notice even our maintenance folks seem to have a minor fire lit under them. Ground handling however seems to be hit and miss.
10-16-2021, 03:48 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by Varks
Near term outlook.
The Good. Making money hand over fist. Expanding network. Hiring pilots at projected record pace. Passengers have few choices. High cost of airplane acquisition is behind us.
The Bad. Continue wallowing. Morale is low among many work groups and contracts are up now or very soon. Our operation has seen some improvement as of late but I would guess all airlines have done better this fall.
The Ugly. Plenty of Us with one foot out the door and I have enough money but will ride it out syndrome. This results in a “I don’t give a crap attitude” and you’ve beat me up so bad that I can take it and I will dish it out right back at you. I get a real sense of a short fuse for our contract that is amendable Jan. 1. It appears the company is looking for a fight and we are more than willing. Let the shenanigans begin. It’s not fun working like this. We need an industry leading contract and will not settle for less.
Future. Anyone’s guess. In my years at AA it has been give give give. If we get a contract it will be my first normal non bankrupt non concessionary deal in the 21 years I have been here. If I told anyone when I was hired that I would not be part of a normal contract agreement for that long I would have been laughed at.
Suggestion. Save more than you think is possible and then you can sit back and watch. The job improves tremendously when you don’t owe money and you have a large nest egg in the bank. I couldn’t afford a Cadillac every month but I could buy a civic a month.
The Good. Making money hand over fist. Expanding network. Hiring pilots at projected record pace. Passengers have few choices. High cost of airplane acquisition is behind us.
The Bad. Continue wallowing. Morale is low among many work groups and contracts are up now or very soon. Our operation has seen some improvement as of late but I would guess all airlines have done better this fall.
The Ugly. Plenty of Us with one foot out the door and I have enough money but will ride it out syndrome. This results in a “I don’t give a crap attitude” and you’ve beat me up so bad that I can take it and I will dish it out right back at you. I get a real sense of a short fuse for our contract that is amendable Jan. 1. It appears the company is looking for a fight and we are more than willing. Let the shenanigans begin. It’s not fun working like this. We need an industry leading contract and will not settle for less.
Future. Anyone’s guess. In my years at AA it has been give give give. If we get a contract it will be my first normal non bankrupt non concessionary deal in the 21 years I have been here. If I told anyone when I was hired that I would not be part of a normal contract agreement for that long I would have been laughed at.
Suggestion. Save more than you think is possible and then you can sit back and watch. The job improves tremendously when you don’t owe money and you have a large nest egg in the bank. I couldn’t afford a Cadillac every month but I could buy a civic a month.
10-16-2021, 03:58 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by TRZ06
You make some good points. The Good is not as good as you make it though. Domestic seems to have pretty good loads but international has been dismal. Whether I am flying to Europe or Deep
South consistently loads do not break double digit and generally we are talking less than 50 people. Ten plus hour flights on 280-300 passenger planes eats up a lot more money than a packed short haul narrow body flight. And its not only my base. Check the loads on Jetnet sometime or just do a few 26A international city pairs in decs. Show me the money because I don't think the real situation is being seen out there. Unless conditions change real fast things will get ugly bad attitude or not.
South consistently loads do not break double digit and generally we are talking less than 50 people. Ten plus hour flights on 280-300 passenger planes eats up a lot more money than a packed short haul narrow body flight. And its not only my base. Check the loads on Jetnet sometime or just do a few 26A international city pairs in decs. Show me the money because I don't think the real situation is being seen out there. Unless conditions change real fast things will get ugly bad attitude or not.
10-16-2021, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman
Which should be concerning considering it's 2 years later and international travel (at least Asia/Europe) has yet to recover.
10-16-2021, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Sounds like the future of AA is exactly as it has always been. Reading the negation update the company is rolling the typical stall tactics. I’d suggest looking elsewhere for employment if I was on the outside. SSDD.
What's the latest?
10-16-2021, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MartyM
What's the latest?
New-Hires be warned. Delta and United will be able to afford a new contract, AA cannot. Also, Delta now pays for uniforms and hotels now in training, so the worst part about Delta new hire pilot jobs, is now gone.
10-16-2021, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by LBFO79
Our negotiating committee is full steam ahead, to nowhere! They keep putting out updates trying to convince everyone that their extra .5% dues money is getting us somewhere; well, it's not. The company is is not going to agree to anything with the AA pilots. They might agree on a small section like travel expenses, but they will stall on most everything else. This is playing out exactly as I expected. We will likely be paying an extra 1 to 2 thousand each year, for at least 5 more years, before AA will ever agree to anything. The company can't give us anything if they are going to be losing money each year, without the government stimulus.
New-Hires be warned. Delta and United will be able to afford a new contract, AA cannot. Also, Delta now pays for uniforms and hotels now in training, so the worst part about Delta new hire pilot jobs, is now gone.
New-Hires be warned. Delta and United will be able to afford a new contract, AA cannot. Also, Delta now pays for uniforms and hotels now in training, so the worst part about Delta new hire pilot jobs, is now gone.
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