Jumpseat on a freighter
 

Is it possible for an offline pilot to jumpseat on a freight run?
If so, do I walk up to the gate and list, or is some kind of advance notice required? Of course, the flight does not come up on the myidtravel portal.

Each are different.
Downloadable app that you no longer need be an ALPA member to use.

Airline Jumpseat Policies

I think he may be referring to the all cargo flights that the Legacies have been operating.

Unfortunately, you need to be an AA pilot to be allowed on our cargo flights. We have no means to currently allow OAL pilots to JS on those. Most our cargo flights don’t originate at the gate either. So, CASS verification isn’t possible out on the ramp.

Yes it is.
We can do it on a smartphone anywhere.

Didn’t know Atlas policies applied at AA?

maybe he's saying it's possible? Whereas the other poster said it's not possible. FWIW every CASS participant can verify CASS through their own device.

Yeah. The guy who actually works for AA says it's not possible... not even for their own pilots...and the guy from Atlas says it is.

Who are you going to believe when it comes to AA's cargo flights?

Thanks for the response. That's too bad. The flights I was looking at, DFW or LAX to HKG, all seem to originate from a passenger gate

the AA guy said it's not possible to verify CASS on a ramp. The other guy said it is possible to verify CASS. since I've actually have verified someone via CASS on a phone I'm going to believe it is possible.
is it AA policy? I have no idea but that wasnt what either of us were responding to.

All of the Ops Orders (produced for all charter flights, which these are) for the cargo flights say no passengers/jumpseaters allowed. It's crew only.

And I'm saying jumpseaters can't ride on AA cargo flights so all that CASS talk is moot.

My point about CASS wasn’t meant to come off as not possible to do, it’s to prove that we are not a cargo airline. Thus, our policies to process jumpseats are totally different.

But, like you said, none of that matters since OAL can’t ride anyways. So, moving on...

It’s not my problem CASS at AA requires 3 carbon copies by hand delivery and everybody else uses smartphones.

No. Your problem is that you work at Atlas.

.....and not only can I do CASS on a smartphone I’ll still have a job come Sept 1st.....

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If you’re going to mic drop, do it with the proper date. You just made yourself look like a fool.

You and every other airline pilot in this country. Your GIF isn’t very effective when you screw up the post.

Valiant effort though.

Comical hubris on both sides...

So will I, and every other pilot on this forum. 🤪

lol. Yep. (filler)

I think he meant to type “Sept 31st.....”

I’m sure his parents are impressed.

If you're trying to get to HKG, look at CVG, ORD and ANC. Numerous cargo flights from those locations to HKG. The CVG and ORD flights will have normally have stops in ANC.

Which is also an inaccurate date. Don’t defend his ignorance.

One of the most overlooked opportunities by pax guys. Under normal circumstances, look up Atlas, Southern, or Kalitta if you are going overseas. We’ll take good care of you, catered, and decent seats.

Unfortunately, Atlas and Southern can’t take OAL guys right now due to COVID, but that’ll change back eventually...

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where can those flight schedules generally be found?

Found a ride on Kalitta, great experience. Same with Atlas when I took them last year.

Kalitta:
Schedule ? Kalitta Air LLC
Atlas/Polar/Southern Air:
https://www.atlasair.com/contact-us/...rier-programs/

What he was saying is the technology and ability to do it remotely on the ramp from say an iPhone exists and is in use elsewhere already; that AA chooses not to utilize that option is up to them and based mostly upon internal company policy.

Ok, another frustrating AA jumpseat experience about to play out for me. Was just in the AA employee listing line and the agent said I had to list at the airport. The last time I tried to get on an AA flight I was told to call the AA employee travel line to list. Please.....just tell me what hoop I need to jump through. I wish there was some consistency.

I’m looking at AA 2595 PHL-MIA connecting to AA 1186 MIA-STT tomorrow the 17th. I can check loads on the Staff Traveler app no problem, but don’t know how to list for an AA jumpseat.

Pretty sure AA is myidtravel

You could have used the ALPA jumpseat page/app. You could have sought the information from your jumpseat committee. Instead you chose to do it the wrong way and get on here and complain.

The answer is Myidtravel.

Holy crap dude. Chill out!

Well, he works for Southwest so the ALPA website may not come quickly to mind.

But, yeah, myIDTravel is where you need to go, same as we do to use SWA. Pilot commuter option on the drop down menu.

And to reiterate what was said before, our freight flights are essential crew only, no jumpseaters, including even AA pilots.

Sorry, I was overly harsh.

I had the same answer for the people complaining they couldn't list on SWA when they implemented myidtravel. Delta dudes where talking about denying the Jumpseat to Southwest. I sympathize with your frustration with conflicting agent information, but don't expect agents to be versed in OAL Jumpseat procedures, this is a problem at all airlines.

My main point is that there are dozens of Union volunteers at every airline who have gone out of their way to publish these policies and prevent people from lashing-out at other airlines (which wasn’t the intent of your post, sorry for lumping you in with that group).

Before I worked here I used to loathe Jumpseating on AA after a couple of negative encounters with surly agents. One in particular (back in 2007) demanded I call the number, watched me call and list, then asked me "Do you have a listing" when I re-approached her to get on the flight, as if we had never met. It was like something out of an SNL skit. I think it has improved greatly with myidtravel and agents overall feeling less "tasked" with jumpseaters.

Okay, so you understand where I’m coming from. It’s been hit and miss for me as well. I just wanted to be prepared ahead of time so I wasn’t trying to figure out how to list at five in the morning. Thanks for the apology. Sorry if I came across as surly. There’s a little apprehension on trying to jump on AA and it’s got nothing to do with your pilots but rather your occasional agent who seems to take joy in being miserable.

Amen!

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I think it’s principle with a lot of them for whatever reason. I say that because several times I’ve seen where they can’t find my listing or don’t use it and create a new record. They often don’t even ask at the places that were former Airways heavy and the AA places often seem more interested in the gesture of listing than if they can actually find your listing. Like DFW, politely show them the record located email on your phone and they usually start grumbling at the computer instead of you. Iow the game is what it always has been, just new ways of creating a wheel.


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True dat. I'm an AA pilot and I have been treated SO badly by a few of them, in uniform, no less. It's embarrassing. Luckily those types seem to be retiring.