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Old 06-12-2020, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
I know where you sit in the list. What were you not able to hold last bid that you could have held here?
I could hold pretty much anything in most bases except WB CA.
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Old 06-12-2020, 04:04 AM
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I could hold pretty much anything in most bases except WB CA.

You didn’t answer the question. You could have bid and held any of those in the last bid.
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Old 06-12-2020, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
You didn’t answer the question. You could have bid and held any of those in the last bid.
True, but that’s not the point. The point is that a junior pilot should not get a position before a senior pilot.

Im not necessarily referring to myself. I know of several very senior FOs that normally sit towards the top of the list and do lots of premium and make more than some captains. Now that premium and make up has dried up, they have lost lots of income, and thus they have decided it’s time to upgrade. But they didn’t get the upgrade because a bunch of junior displacements took the slots, despite the fact they are far senior.

My point is that they should have run preferences first, then run displacements. Doing it that way would respect seniority.

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Old 06-12-2020, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 View Post
True, but that’s not the point. The point is that a junior pilot should not get a position before a senior pilot.

BS. No fault of those that had their equipment kicked out of base. They shouldn’t have to commute. That should go above a preference. Anything else, yes, seniority is everything.
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
BS. No fault of those that had their equipment kicked out of base. They shouldn’t have to commute. That should go above a preference. Anything else, yes, seniority is everything.
True, and the displacements would have still probably gotten what they bid even if the had run preferences first, because displacements can go to any slot that their seniority can hold. So I’m not sure that is an argument. If they had run preferences, and then displacements, only the most junior pilots at the very bottom of the status may have been displaced elsewhere. Most of the known displacements would still have probably gotten something on their list.
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 View Post
True, but that’s not the point. The point is that a junior pilot should not get a position before a senior pilot.

Im not necessarily referring to myself. I know of several very senior FOs that normally sit towards the top of the list and do lots of premium and make more than some captains. Now that premium and make up has dried up, they have lost lots of income, and thus they have decided it’s time to upgrade. But they didn’t get the upgrade but a bunch of junior displacements took the slots, even though they are far senior.

My point is that they should have run preferences first, then run displacements. Doing it that way would respect seniority.
while you are probably not alone in this thought process, it is the way our contract is setup. If enough guys/gals dont like it they should write their reps to inform then to make a change on the next contract. Not the best answer, but i agree with AL that the other people are getting displaced through no fault of their own. I also would like to see us implement percentage bidding in the future so you dont have to bid yourself into a jr position if you dont want too...old USAir had it when i first got here, DL has it too, not sure about UL or SWA.
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Old 06-12-2020, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 View Post
True, but that’s not the point. The point is that a junior pilot should not get a position before a senior pilot.

Im not necessarily referring to myself. I know of several very senior FOs that normally sit towards the top of the list and do lots of premium and make more than some captains. Now that premium and make up has dried up, they have lost lots of income, and thus they have decided it’s time to upgrade. But they didn’t get the upgrade but a bunch of junior displacements took the slots, even though they are far senior.

My point is that they should have run preferences first, then run displacements. Doing it that way would respect seniority.
while you are probably not alone in this thought process, it is the way our contract is setup. If enough guys/gals dont like it they should write their reps to inform then to make a change on the next contract. Not the best answer I know. But i agree with AL that the other people are getting displaced through no fault of their own. I also would like to see us implement percentage bidding in the future so you dont have to bid yourself into a jr position if you dont want too...old USAir had it when i first got here, DL has it too, not sure about UL or SWA.
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Old 06-12-2020, 04:37 AM
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I also had a preference in the September bid that was awarded to about a dozen guys junior to me, and quite honestly I’m okay with it. Getting displaced sucks. If we did it the other way, I’d be okay with that too.
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Couple of questions:

What is a Stand In Displacement (SID)?

When do you think the next bid will be? Is there a contractual requirement for frequency of vacancy bids?
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76 View Post
Couple of questions:

What is a Stand In Displacement (SID)?

When do you think the next bid will be? Is there a contractual requirement for frequency of vacancy bids?
A SID is a preference to displace in the place of a junior pilot. But, it uses your preference list. That’s how you manipulate the process to work around what you’ve been talking about. Only downside, you incur a seat lock.

No one knows when the next bid will happen.

Vacancy bids are required 3x a year. I think the company has met that obligation with this latest bid.
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