Is it worth it
#11
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I think you're asking 2 separate questions.
Q1: Is it worth it to be an airline pilot with a late start?
Answer: Do you like flying? Can you make ends meet?
Q2: Is it worth it to be abused at Eagle with a late start?
Answer: Probably not. People at Eagle get tunnel vision for AA and the company loves it. I'd recommend going somewhere else and seeing what the rest of the industry looks like.
Q1: Is it worth it to be an airline pilot with a late start?
Answer: Do you like flying? Can you make ends meet?
Q2: Is it worth it to be abused at Eagle with a late start?
Answer: Probably not. People at Eagle get tunnel vision for AA and the company loves it. I'd recommend going somewhere else and seeing what the rest of the industry looks like.
#12
You won't find a guy/gal on here that didn't have their personal progression timeline thrown off by this industry (9-11, Age 65, Recession and Mortgage Crisis, Furlough, or Airline Bankruptcy). The folks that persevere reap the rewards.
#13
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Hi all. Looking for advice. Currently a low time (500hr/121 time) regional FO. I started this as a second career about 2 years ago. Sat reserve for over a year, then had a line for 2 months before Covid. At 42 years old, and facing at best another year + of reserve (or at worst furlough) is this career worth it? I know things will come back. Not worried about that. But the delay from Covid really messes up my timing. I know at any point, the income at a Major, or even at a LCC is significantly better than a regional. But to spend potentially another 7-10 years at a regional, with probably pretty poor QOL for at least the next couple years, is it worth sticking around. Is life THAT much better at a Major? As a junior FO at a major or LCC, at probably 50 years old, is it worth it? Or should I just bail and go back to a “regular” career?
Any words of wisdom or advice are appreciated!
Any words of wisdom or advice are appreciated!
#14
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All the commute hassles. The constant *****ing on the flight deck about the company, the union, the current political state, the other pilots, and on and on. Living out of a suitcase and missing important milestones. Having to deal with scheduling, maintenance, dispatch, FAs, ****ed off and unruly passengers, irregular ops, etc.
Yeah. "Loving to fly" makes up for all that.
Keep telling yourself that. 🤣🤡
Yeah. "Loving to fly" makes up for all that.
Keep telling yourself that. 🤣🤡
#15
All the commute hassles. The constant *****ing on the flight deck about the company, the union, the current political state, the other pilots, and on and on. Living out of a suitcase and missing important milestones. Having to deal with scheduling, maintenance, dispatch, FAs, ****ed off and unruly passengers, irregular ops, etc.
Yeah. "Loving to fly" makes up for all that.
Keep telling yourself that. 🤣🤡
Yeah. "Loving to fly" makes up for all that.
Keep telling yourself that. 🤣🤡
Most jobs will not match the time off we get, with the wages we make. We don't have to bring our work home with us, ask your high earning friends and neighbors how many emails and phone calls they get on their days off. If you don't like it, take a hike, oh yeah, you have no real skills on the outside so you won't.
#16
I hope you stick it out and things do workout for you and the family. I’m sorry to see what’s happening to everyone top to bottom, and the goal is NO one loses their jobs. Too many casualties already from TSA/CZ.
I just wanted to say, there is great QOL to be had and pay at certain regionals. I was fortunate to get into trn for a company w a very mature cba for mgt pilots. I’ve been at AA 3 years and haven’t made near what I did my last 3 years at my regional. I live in base, but prior I was home based. Positive space to the sims rental car 108 hours min usually did 150-256 though. Granted the suck of waiting for a upgrade 5.5 years was awful but it was worth it.
I hope it gets better for us all. vaccine and no 2nd wave, and hopefully this is a minor bump nothing like 08-09 and it’s only a 12 month setback w hiring and upgrades. My advice would be to stick it out and give it some time. things have a way of working out, to capt to instructor to a job w big 5. or LCC before you tbink it will right now.
I just wanted to say, there is great QOL to be had and pay at certain regionals. I was fortunate to get into trn for a company w a very mature cba for mgt pilots. I’ve been at AA 3 years and haven’t made near what I did my last 3 years at my regional. I live in base, but prior I was home based. Positive space to the sims rental car 108 hours min usually did 150-256 though. Granted the suck of waiting for a upgrade 5.5 years was awful but it was worth it.
I hope it gets better for us all. vaccine and no 2nd wave, and hopefully this is a minor bump nothing like 08-09 and it’s only a 12 month setback w hiring and upgrades. My advice would be to stick it out and give it some time. things have a way of working out, to capt to instructor to a job w big 5. or LCC before you tbink it will right now.
#17
If a professional pilot truly feels the s/he has no valuable skills outside of the cockpit then you have been sold a bag of poop by whomever told you that.
look at the 7 tenets of CRM that you master as a professional pilot and tell me that those skills aren’t highly valued outside of aviation. You may have to reword then with non-aviation language to understand it, but that is no different than taking military experience and civilianizing it to be explain your skill set to others.
As for is it worth it?
there are lots of jobs in aviation that allow a good living outside of ‘commercial’ pilot.
Maybe broaden your horizons too.
ONLY YOU will be able to decide whether it is worth it with your conditions.
look at the 7 tenets of CRM that you master as a professional pilot and tell me that those skills aren’t highly valued outside of aviation. You may have to reword then with non-aviation language to understand it, but that is no different than taking military experience and civilianizing it to be explain your skill set to others.
As for is it worth it?
there are lots of jobs in aviation that allow a good living outside of ‘commercial’ pilot.
Maybe broaden your horizons too.
ONLY YOU will be able to decide whether it is worth it with your conditions.
#18
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Many years ago, I was hired as a controller for Chicago Center the same time I got an offer at Eagle. Had to make a difficult decision. I chose Eagle. There wasn’t day that went by that I didn’t wish I chose the other path. Once I got to AA, things were VERY different. I don’t even think about that decision anymore and all the regional bs is also forgotten. It’s a different world at a major. You’re treated better and the guys/gals you fly with are top notch. Granted, there are miserable people here who try and make this job/place miserable, but they’ve let the bs of airlines get to them and there are very few. Yeah, it’s not fair sometimes, it’s not as glamorous anymore, it’s hard missing big life events, and we are always trying to make more or gain more. But, at the end of the day, it’s the easiest job in the world.
My point: stick with it. Don’t let the regional world get you jaded to the airline world or your aspirations. You’ll appreciate your job at a Major or LCC that much more when you get there. It’s just going to take time, and we’ve all been in your shoes at some point.
My point: stick with it. Don’t let the regional world get you jaded to the airline world or your aspirations. You’ll appreciate your job at a Major or LCC that much more when you get there. It’s just going to take time, and we’ve all been in your shoes at some point.
#20
Depends. what are your job skills outside of being a pilot?
At 42, my guess is you really haven't seen the wreckage from corporate/career carpet bombing that occurs when people hit their 50's. At 55, I've watched most of my buddies see their jobs whacked and maybe 1 recovered to the same altitude due to a specialized niche that was needed. Get another job at that point? Good luck.
At 42, my guess is you really haven't seen the wreckage from corporate/career carpet bombing that occurs when people hit their 50's. At 55, I've watched most of my buddies see their jobs whacked and maybe 1 recovered to the same altitude due to a specialized niche that was needed. Get another job at that point? Good luck.
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