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Old 08-02-2020, 09:00 PM
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AA Pilots should be able to get better info from their APA reps than what the news is saying. And I suspect the APA has an official message board with real names just like the unions at USAirways and NetJets. That probably has better info than APC. Since this is more or less a public board not everyone on the AA sub-forum is associated with AA. What I will do is read articles more carefully and see if they contribute any useful info or are just opinion pieces. And if you reread my post above you'll see I was furloughed twice. The first time ALPA gave away our no-furlough clause and I thought I was safe until that happened. I can still remember right where I was when I heard about the furlough and the feeling of dread that came over me since I had no "Plan B". At least with the 2nd furlough we had a flow down to regional carriers so I knew I could survive with a lot of belt tightening.

Originally Posted by Andy View Post
You're a retired airline pilot. Do you really think there was anything in that article that AA rank and file pilots aren't aware of?
I don't know if you were ever furloughed, but I suspect the answer's no. It puts a lot of stress on people and you're just piling on to that stress. You show absolutely zero empathy to those pilots still working for a living - from your posts, I am sure you were quite a few pilots' do not fly list.
And no, I dont work for American.

And here's a news flash for you - every single airline is moving closer to bankruptcy. I don't know which one goes first, but I've got some ideas and the first one that stands out is not American.
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:27 AM
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Haha... the APA board is a joke mixed with a toxic waste dump
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rcflying53 View Post
I have never seen a positive article posted from you here. That said, you aren’t posting things we already haven’t seen or know about. Why even post that? We have pilots who are seriously worried/stressed and while negative articles are all around us right now, posting them does no good. What do you think is being accomplished by doing so?


Good on volunteering. Most everyone, including myself, does some sort of outside philanthropy work. I don’t/wouldn’t ever mention it (especially in a random online forum) because it’s done to not gain kudos from or impress your peers, it’s done to be a good humanitarian to others and to better yourself inside. But, good for you to use it to show how noble you are.
Its kind of ironic, first you accuse the OP of being a disgruntled applicant and is on a vendetta because he wasn't good enough to be hired at AA. Then in the next post you go on to say he shouldn't post things like that because they stress out those pilots that were good enough to be hired. Give it a rest. Most guys are grown up enough to realize whats going on in the industry. If you get your self tied up in knots because someone posts a negative article about your airline i think it might be time to get away from these boards...Full transparency, I am at a major myself (so I get it) used to be corporate.
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Old 08-03-2020, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by formerdal View Post
Its kind of ironic, first you accuse the OP of being a disgruntled applicant and is on a vendetta because he wasn't good enough to be hired at AA. Then in the next post you go on to say he shouldn't post things like that because they stress out those pilots that were good enough to be hired. Give it a rest. Most guys are grown up enough to realize whats going on in the industry. If you get your self tied up in knots because someone posts a negative article about your airline i think it might be time to get away from these boards...Full transparency, I am at a major myself (so I get it) used to be corporate.
You say “kind of ironic” but you had to add words into what I said to make it kind of ironic. Lol

First of all, I said: “We have pilots who are seriously worried/stressed and while negative articles are all around us right now, posting them does no good.” Show me where I mention only the ones who were good enough were hired in that statement? This is in reference to pilots on the furlough chopping block, as anyone with half a brain would’ve figured I was talking about.

Second, EVERYONE who gets into this industry knows it’s a roller coaster. People who couldn’t hack it wouldn’t make it past IOE. Posting articles that just pile on the doom and gloom isn’t productive, especially articles that have been posted ALREADY on many other sites that OAL guys like yourself and the OP have no access to. Nothing you or anyone else posts here from the news is really news to us. You’re just looking for a reaction from guys (you’re getting one from me) and to try and feel better about your current situation. I get it, your airline is better than everyone else’s. So, I don’t get tied up in knots about our own pilots posting stuff, I DO when you clowns from other airlines, or that don’t work here, come to this forum to crap on AA every chance you get.

But, you got buddies here and wish us the best tho......right??
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:25 PM
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Old 08-03-2020, 05:15 PM
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Meh. Once an AA pilot, always an AA pilot. If he wants to post things here, more power to him...unless he goes full r3tard, which he hasn’t. (And this is coming from a LAW referring to a LUS). Whatever floats his goat.
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Really...Numbers show American every time.
Ummm, actually no they don't. Every article I've seen in reference to what you're saying has been written by bottom of the barrel analysts. Nice try though, LOL.
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Old 08-04-2020, 04:08 PM
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Is this guy for real?
sounds like this guy

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Old 08-05-2020, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by beancounter View Post
Ummm, actually no they don't. Every article I've seen in reference to what you're saying has been written by bottom of the barrel analysts. Nice try though, LOL.
Just playing devils advocate, what source would you believe?




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Old 08-06-2020, 06:35 AM
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Posters on this board should consider that Doug Parker has messed around with Chapter 11 quite a bit. AWA, US, and AA were all in chapter 11 at one time or another, and he was involved in their emergence. What Doug did was "do a deal" to attract outside money.

Virgin Atlantic is in bankruptcy (chapter 15 I think they call it over there) but as part of the reorganization they will maintain their arrangement with Delta. 51% British and 49% Delta owned. Delta has cash on hand and they will pony up to keep the arrangement.

In the early 90's, Then US Air attempted a link up with British Airways under the same type of arrangement. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...469-story.html

Watch for a revival of that deal. It will be done to attract outside financing and with Brexit, BA still retains tremendous route authority all over the world. AA pilots will not want to share international flying but Parker will attempt something like this to save his legacy and avoid another chapter 11 filing.
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