1,605 Tentative Furloughs
08-25-2020, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
Not necessarily. The way the mitigation rules read was that a senior pilot who did not bid a mitigation option could get furloughed before a more junior pilot who did. So we do know that that the lower 2,127, absent of furlough mitigation, would be furloughed. What we don't know is; who in the lower 2,127 bid for AND got a ZTL? What if 2,000-2,127 did not bid a ZTL? That means 2,000-2,127 get furloughed, 1,999-1,477 get ZTL's and the lower 1,476 get furloughed. What happened to the Alt Month deal? I imagine everyone who bid a ZTL bid an Alt Month as their primary. Did the company not want to give any of those out? Did noone from 2,500+ bid an Alt Month or ZTL? Who knows?
08-25-2020, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
seems like a union could answer some of these questions.
08-25-2020, 12:41 PM
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Has anyone ever heard of a situation where a labor union screwed over so many of their own members? In any industry, not just aviation. APA managed to actually make things worse. Anyone over 1600 was not going to be touched. Now they're on ZTLs. For everyone else, APA was supposed to mitigate furloughs down from 1600. Instead, everyone got thrown under the bus. Not a single job saved. Not one.
Spirit just showed what a real union and a unified pilot group looks like. JetBlue too. It's shameful what APA has done. The AA name is tarnished...future potential new hires will think twice before coming to a company and union that so easily tosses them out like unwanted garbage.
Spirit just showed what a real union and a unified pilot group looks like. JetBlue too. It's shameful what APA has done. The AA name is tarnished...future potential new hires will think twice before coming to a company and union that so easily tosses them out like unwanted garbage.
08-25-2020, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FetaCheese
...future potential new hires will think twice before coming to a company and union that so easily tosses them out like unwanted garbage.
08-25-2020, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain
the next American Airlines presentation (in ??? 2030) at WAI and NGPA will be jam packed with eager RJ pilots and separating military dudes, all with fresh haircuts, standing room only, eager to join AA.
08-25-2020, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FetaCheese
Has anyone ever heard of a situation where a labor union screwed over so many of their own members? In any industry, not just aviation. APA managed to actually make things worse. Anyone over 1600 was not going to be touched. Now they're on ZTLs. For everyone else, APA was supposed to mitigate furloughs down from 1600. Instead, everyone got thrown under the bus. Not a single job saved. Not one.
Spirit just showed what a real union and a unified pilot group looks like. JetBlue too. It's shameful what APA has done. The AA name is tarnished...future potential new hires will think twice before coming to a company and union that so easily tosses them out like unwanted garbage.
Spirit just showed what a real union and a unified pilot group looks like. JetBlue too. It's shameful what APA has done. The AA name is tarnished...future potential new hires will think twice before coming to a company and union that so easily tosses them out like unwanted garbage.
08-25-2020, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FetaCheese
Has anyone ever heard of a situation where a labor union screwed over so many of their own members? In any industry, not just aviation. APA managed to actually make things worse. Anyone over 1600 was not going to be touched. Now they're on ZTLs. For everyone else, APA was supposed to mitigate furloughs down from 1600. Instead, everyone got thrown under the bus. Not a single job saved. Not one.
Spirit just showed what a real union and a unified pilot group looks like. JetBlue too. It's shameful what APA has done. The AA name is tarnished...future potential new hires will think twice before coming to a company and union that so easily tosses them out like unwanted garbage.
Spirit just showed what a real union and a unified pilot group looks like. JetBlue too. It's shameful what APA has done. The AA name is tarnished...future potential new hires will think twice before coming to a company and union that so easily tosses them out like unwanted garbage.
What are you talking about? Anyone above the 1605 could have put in a conditional ZTL bid. If you are above that number and have a ZTL or are furloughed, that is by your own choosing.
And you're worried about attracting new hires, really?
08-25-2020, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dashdog
What are you talking about? Anyone above the 1605 could have put in a conditional ZTL bid. If you are above that number and have a ZTL or are furloughed, that is by your own choosing.
And you're worried about attracting new hires, really?
And you're worried about attracting new hires, really?
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