This is not correct at all, and you have missed several important parts. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

And yes, your beliefs are 100% disgusting. Kill off the weak so that the strong may feast.

The union decision to furlough vs mitigate will create more division in an already divided group, when most other carriers have decided to save the furloughs as much as possible.

Limiting someone’s pay to 50 or 30 hours is effectively a paycut regardless of whether or not the hourly rate has changed. I don’t see how you can’t label that a cut in pay.

Furloughs suck and I respect the fact that you have strong feelings on the matter. But someone who has 20 years of seniority can plan their expenses based on the assumption that they won’t have to cut their take home pay 50%. I’m not convinced they should happily agree to a massive compensation hit to save the job of someone with 1-3 years of seniority. Those are the realities of our industry. I don’t think 200k/year is living “lavishly.”

If one pilot is furloughed, our nations leadership has failed. Many countries got their outbreaks under control early but the bickering at the highest levels ruined it for everyone. Effective leadership starting at the top is severely lacking.


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I’m happy to be corrected. Tell me the important parts I’m missing? Maybe I misunderstood the TA. A ban on open time and premium trips with pilots on furlough is appropriate in my opinion.

Have you ever been furloughed? I’ve been furloughed multiple times with 9 years spent on furlough. It sucks. I just think it’s a sad reality of life as a pilot.

For what it’s worth I think the ZTL option was a bad move by APA. It creates a zero cost sub-reserve group of pilots and makes it easy for the company to hold off on recalls. Instead of calling back pilots they have 500+ that cost nothing and can pick up any slack.

Yes, I have been. Just like everyone else. But I do not wish that upon anyone.

People like you are the problem. "I just think it’s a sad reality of life as a pilot". This statement right here is the problem. Anyone that says things like this is disgusting. That is like saying "Cancer sucks...but we shouldn't try to find a cure".

Welcome to the future, where the other airlines are showing you the way how it should be done. Good job to all of the other airline Unions that are doing everything that they can to prevent furloughs. Shame on APA and people like you.

Well a 50% cut isn't a 50% cut to take home, without doing the math it's probably like 30%. And 30% is a lot easier to budget than 100% especially in a world where there are zero jobs anywhere near even that lowered income level so I don't really understand that logic.

Honestly it just sounds like you are trying to make excuses for not wanting to save everyone you can even when the company wants to as well.

I’m not sure where I said I wish furlough upon anyone. Obviously I don’t. I’ve lost money, my home, etc during past furloughs.

I just don’t agree with you that this option is necessarily a good one. management is always one step ahead in these creative concessions. It needs to be looked at from all angles. Clearly you are too emotional to debate the merits. The “shame on you” “100% disgusting” rhetoric is not helpful. But if you need to vent go ahead.

I’m not on the NC or an APA rep so I’m not “trying to do anything.” I was just debating the merits and potential pitfalls of the UAL AIP.