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10-26-2020, 08:35 AM
#231
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
Not wanting to take a massive pay cut for years to push furloughs back a few months in not "eating their own".
10-26-2020, 12:29 PM
#232
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
UAL basically has a B, C and D pay scale now (I don't say A scale because even the top of the seniority list is now a paycut). What UAL did was horrible to the industry, thanks god APA has enough sense to not already degrade pay and contracts to only get a guarantee of no furloughs for 9 months.
787 pilots are all making as much or more. Anybody in top 3rd can make same by simply picking up. And yes, there is stuff to pick up. NOBODY had their pay rate cut. Working less days. Many in middle 3rd should be able to pick up as well.
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10-26-2020, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
doesn't negate the fact that min guarantee was reduced in three tier system. That's a paycut because now you're stuck picking up some scraps you wouldn't necessary want to bid.
Spin this however you want but this was a major concession with unrealistic snapback criteria to only guarantee 9 months.
Spin this however you want but this was a major concession with unrealistic snapback criteria to only guarantee 9 months.
10-26-2020, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
doesn't negate the fact that min guarantee was reduced in three tier system. That's a paycut because now you're stuck picking up some scraps you wouldn't necessary want to bid.
Spin this however you want but this was a major concession with unrealistic snapback criteria to only guarantee 9 months.
Spin this however you want but this was a major concession with unrealistic snapback criteria to only guarantee 9 months.
10-26-2020, 05:42 PM
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It makes ZERO sense for APA to take any concessions. The other airlines are trying to prevent furloughs so they can gain market share quickly while AA languishes. If the tables were turned AA would be doing the same.
10-27-2020, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
It makes ZERO sense for APA to take any concessions. The other airlines are trying to prevent furloughs so they can gain market share quickly while AA languishes. If the tables were turned AA would be doing the same.
10-30-2020, 06:31 AM
#237
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
UAL basically has a B, C and D pay scale now (I don't say A scale because even the top of the seniority list is now a paycut).
You're the one purposely conflating the terms "pay rate" and "pay cut". Spare us the pearl clutching about spin as you whirl like a top.
Allowing pilots to maintain currency without a min guarantee is the most awful thing that has been done to this industry in the age of covid. You don't care about concessions, you care about concessions that affect you. The least you can do is be honest about that.
10-30-2020, 06:35 AM
#238
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
It makes ZERO sense for APA to take any concessions. The other airlines are trying to prevent furloughs so they can gain market share quickly while AA languishes. If the tables were turned AA would be doing the same.
But please explain how ZTLs and the FTO are not concessions
10-30-2020, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
UAL basically has a B, C and D pay scale now (I don't say A scale because even the top of the seniority list is now a paycut). What UAL did was horrible to the industry, thanks god APA has enough sense to not already degrade pay and contracts to only get a guarantee of no furloughs for 9 months.
10-31-2020, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cicada
What an absolute embarrassment the health care vote was. American pilots are known for eating their young.
Enjoy the ride.
P.S. Not a union member so I don’t have to pay the .5%.
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