LAXtoDEN

Less than 24 hours ago 👇

............................ Smdh the “audacity”.

450knotOffice

C’mon. Just stop please. Move on.

sanicom3205

You think that guys that got furloughed were on property when the scope clause was voted on?

You missed my point entirely. I came on this American Airlines thread to read about bankruptcy (or not, in my opinion) at American Airlines. I did not come here to read about the difference between Embraer regional jets, being flown by many people who genuinely believe their new city pairs are a good thing, while thousands here don’t have job security. The scope clause “is what it is”. Doesn’t mean anyone here gives a flying F about talking about ejets.

The only thing worse than a troll here solely to make you feel crappy about what they perceive as your financial insecurity is this tone deaf bs. I didn’t mean any disrespect in any way, but I am saying have some awareness

Big E 757

It looks like Finessed has been banned thankfully. I came back to search his posts because I honestly don’t think he’s a Delta pilot and wanted to verify. Being a Delta Pilot myself, I was honestly completely embarrassed by the way he was talking to you all. It’s been troubling me the last 2 days, but I’m about 90% sure he isn’t one of us. I know Delta Pilots catch quite a bit of crap in the industry for various reasons. Some of it might be deserved, but I haven’t witnessed the behaviors that most of the ridicule points to.

Having said that, no decent person wants to see any of you suffer a job loss or BK. I went through it in 2000 with thousands of others, and don’t want it to happen again to anyone. I really think things will pick up by summer and we will all escape this mess well before going through the BK wringer again. And as has been said before, if AA does go BK, we will all be right behind you all. The media needs to write something others want to read, and unfortunately, people like Finessed like to read and talk about the misfortune of others, so that’s what they write about, whether they know what they’re talking about or not...doesn’t matter.

I think finessed works for an AA subsidiary and hasn’t or can’t flow. Or has been rejected by AA for psychological reasons and has an axe to grind. Maybe he works for Mesa or someone who doesn’t have a flow.

Please don’t let his behavior affect your view of Delta Pilots. We are a pretty decent bunch, and no one I’ve spoken to has any hopes of things going south for you guys. We are too busy talking about hat size, or our double breasted jacket size. That’s pretty much all we talk about. Oh, we also talk a lot about the importance of wind checks and the difference between light chop and light turbulence. :-)

LAXtoDEN

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesasquith/2020/03/31/analysis-how-much-money-do-empty-flights-really-cost-airlines/

I’d recommend giving this a read. I posted it prior, but it got stepped over by Finessed creating havoc.

Flying an empty airplane at 25% capacity taking a $20,000 loss per flight isn’t giving you more job security than a regional jet flying the same route at profitability. A full flight in a mainline jet profits $10,000 yet an empty flight could costs you more than 2 flights at full capacity, think about that.

Also consider the normal route structure for a regional. Which is feeding small airports to a major hub (in most cases would never be a profitable route for a mainline jet), bringing passengers in to fill mainline jets (job security). The flight loads at American or any other major would be decreased significantly. Grandma and Grandpa won’t bother with a 4 hour drive to the major hub that will fly them to their eventual destination.

I came to OO a couple of years ago from a 141 school with student loan debt. I have zero intentions of being a regional lifer and I’m not a cheerleader for increased regional flying. Just trying to make the point, be careful for what you wish for.

Sorry to hear you’re on the wrong side of the list, wish you the best for a quick recall.

Mozam

I think you are missing the big picture. The contract AA has is what is causing all the shift in the flying to an outside source .

Do not take your anger out at me because AA has RJs doing most of the flying. That is a poor excuse, saying you where not here for the giveaway of the scope . You are reaping the pay benefits from the scope concession APA gave . No disrespect in any way.


Side bar. If your concern is bankruptcy, AA is not even close. The stock had almost doubled from its low, AAL is not viewed as a company that is about to file .

wrxpilot

That has nothing to do with whether or not AA will have to file bankruptcy.

Mozam

Correct. It does show how Wall Street feels. If AAL was moving in that direction the stock price would be closer to 3 bucks a share .

sanicom3205

Thanks, do you have any articles explaining how airplanes fly for me to read next my man?

The point you were trying to make isn’t the whole picture. RJs have higher cost per available seat mile than mainline airplanes. They are more expensive to operate. So why would a business use them? You pointed toward the answer, which is to bring passengers from smaller cities to our hubs, where they will get on a mainline aircraft. In other words, deal with the lower cost per available seat mile of regional jets because they make us money by filling our bigger, truly profitable airplanes. Great!

Now tell me, given this, how can you use that as justification for flying four e170s between NYC and Miami daily, when a 321 twice daily would be much more efficient to operate in every metric imaginable? I use this example of NYC and Miami because it’s exactly what AA is doing, and it’s far from the only example.

Anyway I’m about to go eat a bowl of cereal, do you have an article you can show me explaining how it’s done

wrxpilot

This is the same market pumping Hertz, Nikola, and GameStop. A stock price these days is meaningless with respect to a company’s financial performance.