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victormike 04-04-2021 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by morerightrudder (Post 3216749)
Most definitely not in the know. But before AA can hire OTS, there's still:
  • Around 450 people who have not been recalled yet.
  • 2-3 classes who started training but were then sent home (dunno if they count as part of the 450).
  • 1 class that got seniority numbers but never started training.
  • 3 classes of CJOs who had been slated to start in April 2020.
  • Unknown number of people who interviewed/were waiting for a class date.

Those 3 classes of CJOs could be something like 3-400 from what I've heard (if someone has a tangible number lmk). If a decent number of those 450-500 go through shorts, I think those CJOs will start going for a June/July timeframe. Buckle up because it's going to get interesting especially now with that clear as mud CDC guidance on yes you can travel but like try not to because idk you could still die. People are done.

LabDad06 04-04-2021 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by victormike (Post 3216787)
Those 3 classes of CJOs could be something like 3-400 from what I've heard...

From what I heard from someone at AA, there are around 500 (I heard about 470, but have read as high as 530) with seniority numbers that have not been notified of training yet, which includes that March class that was hired but never started.

There were three more classes up through the end of April that I think were about 60 per class? Then there were additional CJOs without class dates, no idea how many. Then those who interviewed that were not given a yes or no due to Covid.

sanicom3205 04-04-2021 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by victormike (Post 3216787)
Those 3 classes of CJOs could be something like 3-400 from what I've heard (if someone has a tangible number lmk). If a decent number of those 450-500 go through shorts, I think those CJOs will start going for a June/July timeframe. Buckle up because it's going to get interesting especially now with that clear as mud CDC guidance on yes you can travel but like try not to because idk you could still die. People are done.

People arenít ďdoneĒ, theyíre getting vaccines. Itís a thing of beauty.

Those 500 ish pilots who havenít been given a return to active date are in addition to the two groups who have been notified/have been brought back. The May 2nd return to active group has no training dates. Many in the April return to active havenít been given training dates.

A good percentage of people need to go through the long course, and everyone has to fly with a CKA. Itís going to take them a bit. I am in the May return and I donít know if Iíll see a plane before August looking at the numbers. We dropped a lot of CKAs and didnít replace them.

3 classes and youíre in the door

EagleVol 04-04-2021 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3216827)
People arenít ďdoneĒ, theyíre getting vaccines. Itís a thing of beauty.

Those 500 ish pilots who havenít been given a return to active date are in addition to the two groups who have been notified/have been brought back. The May 2nd return to active group has no training dates. Many in the April return to active havenít been given training dates.

A good percentage of people need to go through the long course, and everyone has to fly with a CKA. Itís going to take them a bit. I am in the May return and I donít know if Iíll see a plane before August looking at the numbers. We dropped a lot of CKAs and didnít replace them.

3 classes and youíre in the door

Are they making everyone do 2 legs of OE? I only see that as a requirement for captains who do the short course. Itís probably not a bad idea though.

sanicom3205 04-04-2021 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by EagleVol (Post 3216836)
Are they making everyone do 2 legs of OE? I only see that as a requirement for captains who do the short course. Itís probably not a bad idea though.

You could be right about OE. Gonna be sporty having not touched a plane in the better part of a year

So I guess FTO does short course and no OE, straight furlough does long course and OE even if returning to the same equipment

Pebbles 04-04-2021 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3216838)
You could be right about OE. Gonna be sporty having not touched a plane in the better part of a year

So I guess FTO does short course and no OE, straight furlough does long course and OE even if returning to the same equipment



Originally Posted by Harry Pommes (Post 3216784)
How long is the short course?


5 days for short course ...

And no OE required except CAís for those on short course. I would think long course OE is for those non-FTO who switched equipment is all. If staying on same equipment, same as FTO I thought. But, could be wrong. I guess they didnít do any distance learning while out, so Iíll say you are correct on that one!

I think most of us FTO thought weíd stay landing current at least, didnít do that. Iím a May return as well, did FTO option and aside from MAX training, didnít do anything since this whole debacle started.

Life is returning to normal, albeit slowly. But, letís all be grateful for being six figure folks who complain about anything [emoji23]

victormike 04-05-2021 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3216827)
People arenít ďdoneĒ, theyíre getting vaccines. Itís a thing of beauty.

Those 500 ish pilots who havenít been given a return to active date are in addition to the two groups who have been notified/have been brought back. The May 2nd return to active group has no training dates. Many in the April return to active havenít been given training dates.

A good percentage of people need to go through the long course, and everyone has to fly with a CKA. Itís going to take them a bit. I am in the May return and I donít know if Iíll see a plane before August looking at the numbers. We dropped a lot of CKAs and didnít replace them.

3 classes and youíre in the door

Well if you figure our planes are a cross section of the general population Iíll bet only 32% of them have had their first shot and only 19% are fully vaccinated. Yeah people are getting vaccinated but I donít think they are disproportionately who we are flying right now. People have been locked away for a year and yes, they are done. Personal responsibility will overtake the previous fear.

Also Iím flying with too many people who donít want the shot. If you want this industry to go back to normal get the stupid shot.

sanicom3205 04-05-2021 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by victormike (Post 3216972)
Well if you figure our planes are a cross section of the general population Iíll bet only 32% of them have had their first shot and only 19% are fully vaccinated. Yeah people are getting vaccinated but I donít think they are disproportionately who we are flying right now. People have been locked away for a year and yes, they are done. Personal responsibility will overtake the previous fear.

Also Iím flying with too many people who donít want the shot. If you want this industry to go back to normal get the stupid shot.

56 million people fully vaccinated in the US is not insignificant, I think itís kind of hard to argue that isnít the driving force behind the bookings we are seeing now.

Your company also pretty much discouraged people from getting vaccinated while weíre getting paid to get vaccinated. Piedmont needs to get on board

victormike 04-05-2021 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3217043)
56 million people fully vaccinated in the US is not insignificant, I think itís kind of hard to argue that isnít the driving force behind the bookings we are seeing now.

Your company also pretty much discouraged people from getting vaccinated while weíre getting paid to get vaccinated. Piedmont needs to get on board

Itís not insignificant but I donít think itís a huge population of who we fly today. In a month I think thatís a different story if we keep up 3-4 million + a day.

Donít get me on a ďif I was king of the airlineĒ soap box. You donít miss this dumpster fire? I canít wait to watch it burn down as flying really picks up and Iím out the door.

Dobbs18 04-05-2021 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by victormike (Post 3216972)
Well if you figure our planes are a cross section of the general population Iíll bet only 32% of them have had their first shot and only 19% are fully vaccinated. Yeah people are getting vaccinated but I donít think they are disproportionately who we are flying right now. People have been locked away for a year and yes, they are done. Personal responsibility will overtake the previous fear.

Also Iím flying with too many people who donít want the shot. If you want this industry to go back to normal get the stupid shot.

there is so much money on the table to get the shot for us now I think alot of those types will be joining the line shortly if not oh well their loss....and yeah I think the overall sentiment of people is they have had enough....looks like most states should be well over 20% vaccinated if not 30%+ by the end of April...hell maybe even higher cause I am not sure how fast those numbers have been rising...


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