Those 3 classes of CJOs could be something like 3-400 from what I've heard (if someone has a tangible number lmk). If a decent number of those 450-500 go through shorts, I think those CJOs will start going for a June/July timeframe. Buckle up because it's going to get interesting especially now with that clear as mud CDC guidance on yes you can travel but like try not to because idk you could still die. People are done.

From what I heard from someone at AA, there are around 500 (I heard about 470, but have read as high as 530) with seniority numbers that have not been notified of training yet, which includes that March class that was hired but never started.

There were three more classes up through the end of April that I think were about 60 per class? Then there were additional CJOs without class dates, no idea how many. Then those who interviewed that were not given a yes or no due to Covid.

People aren’t “done”, they’re getting vaccines. It’s a thing of beauty.

Those 500 ish pilots who haven’t been given a return to active date are in addition to the two groups who have been notified/have been brought back. The May 2nd return to active group has no training dates. Many in the April return to active haven’t been given training dates.

A good percentage of people need to go through the long course, and everyone has to fly with a CKA. It’s going to take them a bit. I am in the May return and I don’t know if I’ll see a plane before August looking at the numbers. We dropped a lot of CKAs and didn’t replace them.

3 classes and you’re in the door

Are they making everyone do 2 legs of OE? I only see that as a requirement for captains who do the short course. It’s probably not a bad idea though.

You could be right about OE. Gonna be sporty having not touched a plane in the better part of a year

So I guess FTO does short course and no OE, straight furlough does long course and OE even if returning to the same equipment

5 days for short course ...

And no OE required except CA’s for those on short course. I would think long course OE is for those non-FTO who switched equipment is all. If staying on same equipment, same as FTO I thought. But, could be wrong. I guess they didn’t do any distance learning while out, so I’ll say you are correct on that one!

I think most of us FTO thought we’d stay landing current at least, didn’t do that. I’m a May return as well, did FTO option and aside from MAX training, didn’t do anything since this whole debacle started.

Life is returning to normal, albeit slowly. But, let’s all be grateful for being six figure folks who complain about anything [emoji23]

Well if you figure our planes are a cross section of the general population I’ll bet only 32% of them have had their first shot and only 19% are fully vaccinated. Yeah people are getting vaccinated but I don’t think they are disproportionately who we are flying right now. People have been locked away for a year and yes, they are done. Personal responsibility will overtake the previous fear.

Also I’m flying with too many people who don’t want the shot. If you want this industry to go back to normal get the stupid shot.

56 million people fully vaccinated in the US is not insignificant, I think it’s kind of hard to argue that isn’t the driving force behind the bookings we are seeing now.

Your company also pretty much discouraged people from getting vaccinated while we’re getting paid to get vaccinated. Piedmont needs to get on board

It’s not insignificant but I don’t think it’s a huge population of who we fly today. In a month I think that’s a different story if we keep up 3-4 million + a day.

Don’t get me on a “if I was king of the airline” soap box. You don’t miss this dumpster fire? I can’t wait to watch it burn down as flying really picks up and I’m out the door.

there is so much money on the table to get the shot for us now I think alot of those types will be joining the line shortly if not oh well their loss....and yeah I think the overall sentiment of people is they have had enough....looks like most states should be well over 20% vaccinated if not 30%+ by the end of April...hell maybe even higher cause I am not sure how fast those numbers have been rising...