I think before a new hire can hold any base, AA needs to resume hiring

Like when my grandmother gave my mother Castor Oil, she said this too shall pass.

They will start again one of these days. Just sit down and relax.

Wait, so where did all the new hires since the Rona hit get based???

We’ll find out when the vacancy results come out. A lot haven’t even been called back yet thanks to the lack of foresight by our fearless “leaders” and our inability to just flick a switch and spool the training department back up to full capacity. It’s gonna be a rough summer for those of us fortunate to not hit the street.

When are these results supposed to come out?

They should be about two weeks for results on average. So mid week, next week is likely.

Quite a lot of churn in the past year to definitively answer this question at the moment, including four fleets parked. As other's have mentioned, there is a vacancy bid in progress at the moment which should post at the end of this month, bringing clarity to the new seniority structure of the bases.
That said, what we do know at the moment comes from the last vacancy (displacement) bid for September of last year:
DFW was a December 2019 hire (10 months)
PHX was a February 2020 hire (7 months)

Keeping in mind that the junior hire class to date was March 2020, until hiring resumes.
Prior to last year's upheaval, PHX had been a regular showing in the Indoc drops, and at least in the latter half of 2019 DFW was getting awarded in the first vacancy bid post-Indoc.
More to follow next month.
Cheers,

during normal times I would say no. DFW, PHX, and CLT are the longest wait for a new hire to hold. New hires can expect NYC, PHL, and MIA as the most likely of bases to be assigned out of indoc. Hopefully more clarity to come with the posting of this vacancy award, but without a traditional flow of new hires it still maybe tough to determine.

That statement would be true for regional airlines. If all of the training churn is in the low end of the seniority list it costs the company more.

You forgot LAX... up there with NYC as consistently available to new hires. PHL, MIA just behind them, then BOS, DCA, PHX, at least in terms of new hire availability.

ORD is senior and stagnant (shrinking?) and hasn’t gone to new hires in years. I don’t expect that to change.

Dunno if DFW or CLT will ever go to new hires.

That being said, all domiciles have been available within a year or two after Indoc, pre-COVID.

Just announced AA hiring 300 this fall and 600 pilots next year.

It's finally happening

And all CJOs will be honored.

Anyone
 

Does anyone have a guess at the possible timeline for CJOs? Asking for a friend (me, I’m asking for me)

last AA pilots are returning to active flying in August, so I bet the CJOs being honored will be "recalled" in later August or September.

They will contact CJOs shortly with whatever timeline they can provide.

yep this sounds about right! Finally!! 🥳🥳

Congratulations to all of you returning or that were really close to getting hired last year!

Awesome
 

Thanks everyone.

It said that cjos should expect to hear from recruitment very soon with information on the next steps. I’m guessing you’ll be in class around Sept. Welcome aboard.

thanks, I’m really looking forward to it.

Great news!! I’m a poolie and I can’t wait to be aboard!


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How will this work with flow throughs? Meet the contractual limit for flows and then the rest of the class will be OTS? One class per month flows and the other OTS? I presume with 300 by the end of the year it won't be purely flows.

Different language for different regionals but it’ll be a mix of ots and flow.

I’m glad my prediction on hiring was wrong

My prediction was wrong as well!! Sometimes it pays to be wrong!!

Always pays to be wrong with my wife!!

Right but I'm curious how this is gonna work out with the different contractual obligations. PDT flows 6 a month, do you know what PSA and ENY flow? TIA

Look at the language again, it’s probably a max of 6, not 6 guaranteed. I believe everybody gets a percentage of each class, not a hard minimum.


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For PDT it’s 6/mo (at the moment) or 25% of AA new hires whichever is less.

What is PSA at the moment?

Like I said, a max of 6.


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I’m pretty sure PSA is 10 per month. Pre-COVID it was 5 each class.

I think Envoy is 1% of their seniority list.

Does anyone know, (or have a reasonably accurate guess), as to when the August vacancy bid awards will be announced?

probably within next 2 weeks. Ya never know here. But the system is “hardened” ;)

4:59 pm central time on Friday is my guess.......I just don’t know which Friday

PSA is the lesser of ten or 25% of new pilot positions in a given month.

It works out to be substantially less than ENY or PDT on a percentage basis.


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Envoy is 20 per month for the next 6 months or so of hiring. It shifts to a smaller, percentage based number after that.


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I have heard AA is hiring to their JetBlue operation.

Close. JetBlue is hiring to it's American operation, which will largely be a domestic only carrier.

It's the lesser of 20 and a certain percentage of AA's monthly hires until the current 'group' gets done. That group would have taken about 6 months or so if they took the max 20 per month but looking at the amount AA plans to hire, I think the percentage will be the limiting factor (less than 20 per month) and it will take longer than 6 months.

The group after is a formula that involves the size of Envoy's seniority list. Pre-COVID that was going to be around 21 or so I believe. But Envoy is smaller now but I don't know how much smaller. I'm guessing it will be less than 20 per month.

I read today that JetBlue is tripling LGA....is AA giving up slots?

Announcement today said LGA is eagle only.