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Al Czervik 09-06-2021 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3291358)
Just using Israel as a sample group, they have 78% of the population vaccinated. Yet their COVID cases have jumped from 8 per day in June to 9000 per day with this Delta variant. In short, COVID is here to stay. If international boarders are going to close every time there’s a spike, then the international community, and particularity the international business community needs to realize that doing business is going to become a lot more localized.

If the majority of our long haul flying doesn’t return and we do start seeing the older 777s head for the desert, well then we won’t see much career advancement for the time being. Luckily we have massive retirements so no one should be getting furloughed in this new environment. Just a very real possibility that many will have to forget about wide body long-haul flying. All the more reason to shoot for the stars on the next contract as that 737 might be your last stop.


Agreed. People will eventually wake up and look at the facts.

chrisreedrules 09-06-2021 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3291360)
Agreed. People will eventually wake up and look at the facts.

Maybe? Look at Australia. They’re locking people up for having their mask off for too long while taking a sip of tea outside their house. I’m amazed at what people will willfully put up with.

biigD 09-06-2021 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3291358)
If the majority of our long haul flying doesn’t return and we do start seeing the older 777s head for the desert, well then we won’t see much career advancement for the time being. Luckily we have massive retirements so no one should be getting furloughed in this new environment. Just a very real possibility that many will have to forget about wide body long-haul flying. All the more reason to shoot for the stars on the next contract as that 737 might be your last stop.

I just bid the 777 to hedge my bets. People ask me why I still fill out those little flight logs, and I tell them it's to keep the furloughs away. Same thing with widebody flying - I figure if I actually go out and do it the airplanes will stick around. ;)

El Peso 09-06-2021 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 3291367)
I just bid the 777 to hedge my bets. People ask me why I still fill out those little flight logs, and I tell them it's to keep the furloughs away. Same thing with widebody flying - I figure if I actually go out and do it the airplanes will stick around. ;)

Not a bad idea. Check it off your career bucket list now just in case. That way you would’ve been there done that. Worst case scenario you’re back to bouncing around 3 time zones in a narrow body and almost all daytime flying, with no regrets. Remember this when it’s time to vote on the next contract.

Dobbs18 09-06-2021 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3291364)
Maybe? Look at Australia. They’re locking people up for having their mask off for too long while taking a sip of tea outside their house. I’m amazed at what people will willfully put up with.

Can you imagine what the Australians would think if they watched any college football this weekend?!! My goodness the scary people from Madison, WI to Blacksburg, VA and down to Tallahassee, FL were all shoulder to shoulder killing each other other! Yeah I am over it, be safe and take the precautions that you can but just remember that this is survivable for what, 99% of us. It may sound harsh but at some point we have to get back to life.

NotMrNiceGuy 09-06-2021 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 3291398)
Can you imagine what the Australians would think if they watched any college football this weekend?!! My goodness the scary people from Madison, WI to Blacksburg, VA and down to Tallahassee, FL were all shoulder to shoulder killing each other other! Yeah I am over it, be safe and take the precautions that you can but just remember that this is survivable for what, 99% of us. It may sound harsh but at some point we have to get back to life.

It’s only harsh in 2021. Any other time, it would just be sensible.

TransWorld 09-06-2021 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 3291398)
Can you imagine what the Australians would think if they watched any college football this weekend?!! My goodness the scary people from Madison, WI to Blacksburg, VA and down to Tallahassee, FL were all shoulder to shoulder killing each other other! Yeah I am over it, be safe and take the precautions that you can but just remember that this is survivable for what, 99% of us. It may sound harsh but at some point we have to get back to life.

I wonder what they thought when several football crowds erupted in a derogatory chant about the US President’s performance. Not meaning to pick an internal fight about politics within the US. Rather, wondering what those from Oz thought.

morerightrudder 09-07-2021 12:13 AM


Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 3291398)
Can you imagine what the Australians would think if they watched any college football this weekend?!! My goodness the scary people from Madison, WI to Blacksburg, VA and down to Tallahassee, FL were all shoulder to shoulder killing each other other! Yeah I am over it, be safe and take the precautions that you can but just remember that this is survivable for what, 99% of us. It may sound harsh but at some point we have to get back to life.

Australia's government basically decided they would try to save as many lives as possible, hence their harsh measures.

Interestingly enough, their football matches are still being played with fans in attendance, though the championship is being moved to a city not in lockdown.

America has effectively decided that the current casualty rate (hundreds per day as opposed to thousands) is tolerable in exchange for getting back to normal.

Different approaches.

AllYourBaseAreB 09-07-2021 08:56 AM

It’s back over 1000 deaths a day. 99% survivable is still over 3 million deaths if everyone gets it in this country. The bigger issue is hospitals in areas getting a spike not being able to take in people with other health problems since the beds are full.

Nothing political in this post.

Al Czervik 09-07-2021 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3291591)
It’s back over 1000 deaths a day. 99% survivable is still over 3 million deaths if everyone gets it in this country. The bigger issue is hospitals in areas getting a spike not being able to take in people with other health problems since the beds are full.

Nothing political in this post.

if someone with diabetes is killed in a car accident is not a death from diabetes. If we start looking at the real numbers I think we could make more informed decisions.


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