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Old 10-22-2021, 02:19 PM
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What we are all trying to understand is what is AA’s play now with the available pilot resources. It would seem that AA’s WOs are not going to be a workable business model if things continue as expected in the industry. This is great news, but how does it play out? If AA really wants to keep the WO pilots coming to mainline, then it would seem that mainline AA needs to be a more attractive position then the competition.
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Old 10-22-2021, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by crusher View Post
but how does it play out? .
going to be very interested to see. This is like some crazy combination of musical chairs and Jenga. Whichever regional folds first will put a bunch of pilots on the market and take pressure off whoever loses the least capacity.

50 seaters will get the shortest end of the stick

my bet for the WO is that Piedmont folds and the 76 seat flying comes in house to AA.
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Old 10-22-2021, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT View Post
going to be very interested to see. This is like some crazy combination of musical chairs and Jenga. Whichever regional folds first will put a bunch of pilots on the market and take pressure off whoever loses the least capacity.

50 seaters will get the shortest end of the stick

my bet for the WO is that Piedmont folds and the 76 seat flying comes in house to AA.
ExpressJet/Trans States collapses say no deal.

Regional pilots with experience will do just about anything to not start over at another regional.

Instead of being reactionary, APA should be knocking on doors in Dallas with proposals to fix this. Everyone knows taking whats offered from skyview drive is NOT whats best for AA pilots. You currently have WO pilots getting 70k checks in AA new hire classes like its a regional. Totally bonkers.
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Old 10-23-2021, 06:51 AM
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Express Jet and Trans States died in a different environment where their capacity wasn’t needed.

Things will be very different when needed airframes are parked because of captain/lca shortages.

Whichever airline or two falter first it will quickly become a positive feedback loop with increased attrition and inability to hire.

And yes experienced regional pilots will do anything to avoid a lateral move… but that’s the problem. A shortage of experienced regional pilots. The 300-900 hr guys will probably get a lot of money thrown at them by whoever is left standing.
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ExpressJet/Trans States collapses say no deal.

Regional pilots with experience will do just about anything to not start over at another regional.
Well first off let’s hope no one shuts down. If it were unfortunately come to that. Those pilots will be filling jobs whether at LCCs/cargo/majors/regionals spots that may have gone to other regional pilots. It definitely would not be close to enough unless it was Skywest (which it wouldn’t be) to fill the jobs.
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Originally Posted by Tjeff View Post
Well first off let’s hope no one shuts down. If it were unfortunately come to that. Those pilots will be filling jobs whether at LCCs/cargo/majors/regionals spots that may have gone to other regional pilots. It definitely would not be close to enough unless it was Skywest (which it wouldn’t be) to fill the jobs.
Looking at the number of pilots being hired by the majors, it is almost a certainty a number of the regionals will shut down. Lack of pilots. Just looking at reality. Rose colored glasses will not help.
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Looking at the number of pilots being hired by the majors, it is almost a certainty a number of the regionals will shut down. Lack of pilots. Just looking at reality. Rose colored glasses will not help.
8000+ pilots being hired by the majors in the next 14 months. No way all of the regionals can survive that. Not even close.
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Old 10-24-2021, 04:15 PM
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APA needs to allow AA to give WO flows longevity at AA. APA could get flow back rights with longevity at the WO. Flowing to year 3 or 4 pay at AA would hold more in their current seat.
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Old 10-24-2021, 04:25 PM
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Longevity won’t get it. Pretty much every WO lca has offers for seniority at UA and DL

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Longevity won’t get it. Pretty much every WO lca has offers for seniority at UA and DL
Agreed. Don't forget FDX.

There are a LOT of LCAs headed for other carriers. And there are a LOT of guys applying for LCA seats because they (probably correctly) assume that as soon as they add that to their Apps elsewhere that that will radically increase their chances of getting the call they want.

I can also say at PSA there are more than a few who'd like to be at AA, but are choosing other airlines because the increased hiring is seriously devaluing the flow for them. When we only flow 10 / month regardless of how many AA hires, and AA more than doubles how many they're hiring every month, that's a lot of seniority to give up.

So yeah, I think the only thing that would cut it is Seniority, and I think APA would be very reticent to allow that, or at the very least needs to leverage that for all it's worth. That said, that also requires the brain trust in DFW to see it as a problem in the first place. Given that they got rid of all the Group 1 aircraft while other airlines have added some, who knows.....

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