AA Hiring?
 

Whats the lowdown on AA hiring? Any prediction or forecast information this year and next?

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Might be time to get ahead of this thing... Or let attrition handle the number of pilots we need until it's an emergency to hire as many as possible in the shortest amount of time.

WAG...probably early 2022 for Summer 2022.

why do you want to know?

Yeah, weird. I think he’s a probie at UAL.

Thanks
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The truth is, nobody on this site knows anything about possible hiring. Nobody.

My guess: September/October of this year... still quite a few to run back through short/medium courses and once they’re all done, new hires.

Just my guess, will be fun to see whenever it actually does begin.

Most definitely not in the know. But before AA can hire OTS, there's still:

• Around 450 people who have not been recalled yet.
• 2-3 classes who started training but were then sent home (dunno if they count as part of the 450).
• 1 class that got seniority numbers but never started training.
• 3 classes of CJOs who had been slated to start in April 2020.
• Unknown number of people who interviewed/were waiting for a class date.

Fwiw I'm an April recall. Training begins tomorrow short course. They're hustling to get us through. 5 days notice of training. 4 for the travel day. Already assigned reserve the day after training ends.

How long is the short course?

Those 3 classes of CJOs could be something like 3-400 from what I've heard (if someone has a tangible number lmk). If a decent number of those 450-500 go through shorts, I think those CJOs will start going for a June/July timeframe. Buckle up because it's going to get interesting especially now with that clear as mud CDC guidance on yes you can travel but like try not to because idk you could still die. People are done.

From what I heard from someone at AA, there are around 500 (I heard about 470, but have read as high as 530) with seniority numbers that have not been notified of training yet, which includes that March class that was hired but never started.

There were three more classes up through the end of April that I think were about 60 per class? Then there were additional CJOs without class dates, no idea how many. Then those who interviewed that were not given a yes or no due to Covid.

People aren’t “done”, they’re getting vaccines. It’s a thing of beauty.

Those 500 ish pilots who haven’t been given a return to active date are in addition to the two groups who have been notified/have been brought back. The May 2nd return to active group has no training dates. Many in the April return to active haven’t been given training dates.

A good percentage of people need to go through the long course, and everyone has to fly with a CKA. It’s going to take them a bit. I am in the May return and I don’t know if I’ll see a plane before August looking at the numbers. We dropped a lot of CKAs and didn’t replace them.

3 classes and you’re in the door

Are they making everyone do 2 legs of OE? I only see that as a requirement for captains who do the short course. It’s probably not a bad idea though.

You could be right about OE. Gonna be sporty having not touched a plane in the better part of a year

So I guess FTO does short course and no OE, straight furlough does long course and OE even if returning to the same equipment

5 days for short course ...

And no OE required except CA’s for those on short course. I would think long course OE is for those non-FTO who switched equipment is all. If staying on same equipment, same as FTO I thought. But, could be wrong. I guess they didn’t do any distance learning while out, so I’ll say you are correct on that one!

I think most of us FTO thought we’d stay landing current at least, didn’t do that. I’m a May return as well, did FTO option and aside from MAX training, didn’t do anything since this whole debacle started.

Life is returning to normal, albeit slowly. But, let’s all be grateful for being six figure folks who complain about anything [emoji23]

Well if you figure our planes are a cross section of the general population I’ll bet only 32% of them have had their first shot and only 19% are fully vaccinated. Yeah people are getting vaccinated but I don’t think they are disproportionately who we are flying right now. People have been locked away for a year and yes, they are done. Personal responsibility will overtake the previous fear.

Also I’m flying with too many people who don’t want the shot. If you want this industry to go back to normal get the stupid shot.

56 million people fully vaccinated in the US is not insignificant, I think it’s kind of hard to argue that isn’t the driving force behind the bookings we are seeing now.

Your company also pretty much discouraged people from getting vaccinated while we’re getting paid to get vaccinated. Piedmont needs to get on board

It’s not insignificant but I don’t think it’s a huge population of who we fly today. In a month I think that’s a different story if we keep up 3-4 million + a day.

Don’t get me on a “if I was king of the airline” soap box. You don’t miss this dumpster fire? I can’t wait to watch it burn down as flying really picks up and I’m out the door.

there is so much money on the table to get the shot for us now I think alot of those types will be joining the line shortly if not oh well their loss....and yeah I think the overall sentiment of people is they have had enough....looks like most states should be well over 20% vaccinated if not 30%+ by the end of April...hell maybe even higher cause I am not sure how fast those numbers have been rising...

hope we hire or train guys soon because 110 poor soul FOs are going to be TDY-ed to LGA for May!...yes 110!

Thats gross

Ingot word yesterday that I’m “returning home” to LaGuardia. Honestly just glad to be coming employed, $100 Newark ubers be damned

told scheduling one morning that it would be 5 hours before I could be there. It was Saturday. The train wasn’t running until later and I would miss the next train...

they happily offered to call a ‘limo” for me. That was nice. Would be nicer if we dropped ewr from our base structure...it’s in a different state ffs. Plus we hardly operate from there to begin with.

Rereading my post, that was barely English.

The best is when you get a report time in EWR so early in the morning that the trains aren’t running to the airport yet. Great times!

EWR is the vast majority of the open time in my seat. Brutal trips, often uncommutable on both ends, and/or 3.5 hr sits in CLT everyday

Does American have a duty rig?

yes. sit rig as well.

Lots of different rigs

Do legacies like AA seem to prefer not to hire from other non-legacy majors? For example, if I take a job with Allegiant am I going to be branded in a certain way that will make it hard for me to get picked up at a more desirable company?

No. There was a spirit gal and fedex guy in my class.

Absolutely not. My new hire class had ULCC, Legacy, ACMI, and Regional non-flow throughs (but mostly it consisted of military and flows). If I had to guess, going to Allegiant and getting an Airbus type would actually enhance your app significantly.

I would think Part 121 experience, flying the same model aircraft (Airbus 320) that AA operates, would be a good thing.

but what do I know

It makes a competitor waste $$ to have to hire and train your replacement. So yeah, don't worry about it.

It actually saves the competitor money by lowering the longevity of their workforce.

Paying 50k to train somebody is nothing compared to the difference in longevity pay of a newhire several years junior.

It would depend on the age of the replacement.

Also, if they've been at said LCC/competing legacy several years, the chances of leaving are much lower.

This does not in any way shape or form come into the consideration of who gets called by AA.

Can a new hire hold DFW or is it really senior?

Senior, will take a little over a year to hold DFW.

Any idea about PHX? Thanks!