JB, part 2
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2019
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I can’t imagine that what, 8 years after the change that some people are still not clear. Seems like a personal choice to try to hang on to something at this point. Kind of like that FA I had recently. “Welcome aboard US airways”. Yes still in 2021. Some take a little longer to catch up than others I guess.
#12
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
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I think I was the one who brought up eagle, and in the context that I used it (AA regionals codesharing and potentially replacing certain B6 flying), I don’t think the flavor of Eagle matters. Envoy, Mesa, Republic…all would be bad (hence why B6 voted down the LOA…trying to prevent that from happening).
#13
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I can’t imagine that what, 8 years after the change that some people are still not clear. Seems like a personal choice to try to hang on to something at this point. Kind of like that FA I had recently. “Welcome aboard US airways”. Yes still in 2021. Some take a little longer to catch up than others I guess.
Except that US Airways holdings bought out the then bankrupt AMR. Just adopted the AA brand name, and Airways holding started calling themselves AAG . So technically still US Airways but pronounced “uh-meh-ruh-kn”
Doubtful that FA was slow. Was probably just trying to keep it real, as an homage, like the Kansas City Center controller who calls every Envoy flight “Eagle flight”.
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#16
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“American Airlines customers, especially, should like flying JetBlue which offers more legroom, seat back entertainment, free wifi and a business class product (on routes where it’s offered) with relatively great seats, food, and friendly service.”
AA: Going for Greyhound.
AA: Going for Greyhound.
#17
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Posts: 462
“American Airlines customers, especially, should like flying JetBlue which offers more legroom, seat back entertainment, free wifi and a business class product (on routes where it’s offered) with relatively great seats, food, and friendly service.”
AA: Going for Greyhound.
AA: Going for Greyhound.
#18
“American Airlines customers, especially, should like flying JetBlue which offers more legroom, seat back entertainment, free wifi and a business class product (on routes where it’s offered) with relatively great seats, food, and friendly service.”
AA: Going for Greyhound.
AA: Going for Greyhound.
Will our XLRs have a true first class?
#19
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
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#20
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APA email today:
Management Announces Expansion of JetBlue Alliance
Today, the AAL and JBLU management teams announced another expansion of their “Northeast Alliance” (NEA) business scheme in New York and Boston.
APA was made aware of the expansion approximately 15 minutes before it went public. Due to the fact that management did not provide a reasonable period of advance notice, your APA Scope Committee and other subject-matter experts are just now reviewing the expansion announcement.
APA Scope will continue to analyze the NEA business scheme to ensure that any actions by management are in full compliance with your contract.
While JBLU management has announced additional flying for JetBlue pilots (see below), APA awaits information from AAL management regarding what additional mainline flights are planned for us.
Below are excerpts pertaining to the additional JBLU flying:
“Four All-New JetBlue Cities on Sale Today, Along with Five New LaGuardia Markets”
“JetBlue will serve San Antonio International Airport (SAT) from both New York-JFK and Boston starting October 31, 2021. Roundtrip flights will initially operate once daily with the intention to introduce additional daily frequencies in the future.”
“JetBlue will serve Puerto Vallarta, Mexico’s Gustavo Díaz Ordaz International Airport (PVR) from New York-JFK starting February 19, 2022. Roundtrip flights will operate once daily.”
“JetBlue will serve Kansas City International Airport (MCI) from both New York-JFK and Boston starting March 27, 2022. Roundtrip flights will initially operate once daily.”
“JetBlue will serve Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport (MKE) from both New York-JFK and Boston starting March 27, 2022. Roundtrip flights will initially operate once daily.”
“Starting October 31, 2021, JetBlue will add service between LaGuardia and:
Jacksonville International Airport (JAX) | Twice daily
Sarasota Bradenton International Airport (SRQ) | Once daily, winter seasonal
Savannah/Hilton Head International Airport (SAV) | Once daily”
“Starting March 27, 2022, JetBlue will add service between LaGuardia and:
Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport (MSY) | Once daily
Nashville International Airport (BNA) | Twice daily”
“JetBlue schedules for other previously announced new cities including San Pedro Sula, Honduras (SAP); Vancouver, Canada (YVR); and Asheville, N.C. (AVL) – as well as summer 2022 service between LaGuardia and Portland, Maine (PWM) – will be announced at a later date.”
“By the end of this year, JetBlue plans to offer 35 daily departures at LaGuardia and intends to grow to more than 50 daily departures by summer 2022.”
Coincidently, two days before the announcement, industry blog View from the Wing published an article called “The American Airlines-JetBlue Partnership Is A Mess For Passengers.” Here are some excerpts:
“American Airlines and JetBlue have forged a ‘Northeastern Alliance’ covering flights in and out of Boston and New York. This is great in theory for American Airlines customers, giving them a big domestic network to fly while still earning miles and elite status. It’s great for JetBlue customers given American’s global reach. And it makes the two airlines competitive against United and Delta in selling to corporate accounts.”
“American Airlines customers, especially, should like flying JetBlue which offers more legroom, seat back entertainment, free wifi and a business class product (on routes where it’s offered) with relatively great seats, food, and friendly service.”
“However, the actual partnership – as experienced by passengers – is quite broken. Several customers, based in both Boston and New York, have shared the problems they’ve faced and an American Airlines manager generously provided context.”
“The partnership was announced a year ago, and it’s been live for five months, but it’s not yet ready for prime time.”
“Overall it should be good for customers, but competitors don’t like it. However, the value proposition is entirely contingent on delivering a consistent customer experience. The two airlines aren’t close to that yet.”
In related news, industry blog Cranky Flier reported the following on Monday:
Delta Builds Up Boston: Delta is making a move in Boston with a whole bunch of new leisure flights starting this winter. Routes include Aruba, Montego Bay, Nassau, Punta Cana, St Thomas, and Turks and Caicos. Charleston (SC) also sees its second summer daily flight extended through the winter.
Management Announces Expansion of JetBlue Alliance
Today, the AAL and JBLU management teams announced another expansion of their “Northeast Alliance” (NEA) business scheme in New York and Boston.
APA was made aware of the expansion approximately 15 minutes before it went public. Due to the fact that management did not provide a reasonable period of advance notice, your APA Scope Committee and other subject-matter experts are just now reviewing the expansion announcement.
APA Scope will continue to analyze the NEA business scheme to ensure that any actions by management are in full compliance with your contract.
While JBLU management has announced additional flying for JetBlue pilots (see below), APA awaits information from AAL management regarding what additional mainline flights are planned for us.
Below are excerpts pertaining to the additional JBLU flying:
“Four All-New JetBlue Cities on Sale Today, Along with Five New LaGuardia Markets”
“JetBlue will serve San Antonio International Airport (SAT) from both New York-JFK and Boston starting October 31, 2021. Roundtrip flights will initially operate once daily with the intention to introduce additional daily frequencies in the future.”
“JetBlue will serve Puerto Vallarta, Mexico’s Gustavo Díaz Ordaz International Airport (PVR) from New York-JFK starting February 19, 2022. Roundtrip flights will operate once daily.”
“JetBlue will serve Kansas City International Airport (MCI) from both New York-JFK and Boston starting March 27, 2022. Roundtrip flights will initially operate once daily.”
“JetBlue will serve Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport (MKE) from both New York-JFK and Boston starting March 27, 2022. Roundtrip flights will initially operate once daily.”
“Starting October 31, 2021, JetBlue will add service between LaGuardia and:
Jacksonville International Airport (JAX) | Twice daily
Sarasota Bradenton International Airport (SRQ) | Once daily, winter seasonal
Savannah/Hilton Head International Airport (SAV) | Once daily”
“Starting March 27, 2022, JetBlue will add service between LaGuardia and:
Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport (MSY) | Once daily
Nashville International Airport (BNA) | Twice daily”
“JetBlue schedules for other previously announced new cities including San Pedro Sula, Honduras (SAP); Vancouver, Canada (YVR); and Asheville, N.C. (AVL) – as well as summer 2022 service between LaGuardia and Portland, Maine (PWM) – will be announced at a later date.”
“By the end of this year, JetBlue plans to offer 35 daily departures at LaGuardia and intends to grow to more than 50 daily departures by summer 2022.”
Coincidently, two days before the announcement, industry blog View from the Wing published an article called “The American Airlines-JetBlue Partnership Is A Mess For Passengers.” Here are some excerpts:
“American Airlines and JetBlue have forged a ‘Northeastern Alliance’ covering flights in and out of Boston and New York. This is great in theory for American Airlines customers, giving them a big domestic network to fly while still earning miles and elite status. It’s great for JetBlue customers given American’s global reach. And it makes the two airlines competitive against United and Delta in selling to corporate accounts.”
“American Airlines customers, especially, should like flying JetBlue which offers more legroom, seat back entertainment, free wifi and a business class product (on routes where it’s offered) with relatively great seats, food, and friendly service.”
“However, the actual partnership – as experienced by passengers – is quite broken. Several customers, based in both Boston and New York, have shared the problems they’ve faced and an American Airlines manager generously provided context.”
“The partnership was announced a year ago, and it’s been live for five months, but it’s not yet ready for prime time.”
“Overall it should be good for customers, but competitors don’t like it. However, the value proposition is entirely contingent on delivering a consistent customer experience. The two airlines aren’t close to that yet.”
In related news, industry blog Cranky Flier reported the following on Monday:
Delta Builds Up Boston: Delta is making a move in Boston with a whole bunch of new leisure flights starting this winter. Routes include Aruba, Montego Bay, Nassau, Punta Cana, St Thomas, and Turks and Caicos. Charleston (SC) also sees its second summer daily flight extended through the winter.
You will be LUCKY to get 15% credit for longevity. WHY? Diversity, EQUITY, inclusion. Jet Blue has better growing prospects, minority location (New York) and "American" pilots are "no longer entitled" to assume that what they got they earned legally. ALPA will make sure of that.
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You pilots PERSONALLY better get your financial affairs in order because in a few years you're about to be screwed. And remember...APA and AWA gave you the list that keeps on giving.
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