Dobbs18

if I don't have a polio or measles vaccine does that mean I can't get a 1st Class medical? I am asking cause I really don't know...but if there isn't precedent for it with past vaccines I doubt the FAA can just make it so for Covid...but then again I am batting about .200 "Mendoza line level", when it comes to Covid.

SonicFlyer

Yes, incorrectly established.
Actually since Lincoln...well honestly since before that... the Constitution itself is legally questionable due to the way it was created. That being said, they have pretty much started ignoring it since it was ratified.

rickair7777

No, for many reasons. The FAA has consistently stayed out of that.

Mainly it's not a flight safety issue. So what's the rational? Public safety? They'd have to apply that to truck drivers too, along with anyone else who has a federal cert or license.

Kind of like they don't enforce BMI, blood pressure, cholesterol , soda pop consumption except in extreme cases. Those are all bad for you, but not a risk to flight safety. They don't even enforce the ATP good moral character clause unless they have a serious felony conviction to hang their hat on.

sanicom3205

The EU is certainly going to require every foreign national to be vaccinated. Same for Canada and Mexico, and many many others. You guys truly believe you’re going to get paid to not do your job?

Halon1211

Hopefully this helps y’all.

Just claim religious exemption.

a federal judge just ruled that United can’t force its employees to be vaccinated if you have a religious reason.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-j...160814032.html

rickair7777

No, that is NOT what happened.

He issued a temporary hold (for a week and a half) while the case is considered further. Common practice in a case like this where you cannot undo the vaccination once it's done.

jacinth

Do you think pilots can’t make a career flying domestically? Many have and many will do it. I think this is clear government overreach. It’s a terrible precedence. And given the data on the injection it’s entirely absurd. Nothing good has ever come from any of the handful local county level vaccine mandates we have had in the past. They have all lead to very negative evil things. These mandates are extremely divisive, and are an economically destroying force likely unparalleled with anything else in modern times. At a minimum, they should be withheld until the courts rule on it which they most certainly will have to. Further, Jacobson specifically calls out that it is state legislatures who have this power. Not governors, not the executive branch. The commerce clause doesn’t even allow mandated health insurance let alone mandated medical procedures. It’s ridiculous we are even talking about this. US total hospitalizations still had not reached 2019 levels up through the end of July 2021, which is the latest I have seen this number updated. They have been under it since lockdowns in March 2020. Hospitals were never at risk. The Fatality rate for working age people is on par or close to depending on age with the flu. It doesn’t get noticeably worse until age 70. And the injection is non immunizing. It’s a therapeutic with a high risk profile from standard on multiple fronts, that is just shoved under a rug with long term consequences unknown. Despite nearly two years of unvaxed and now vaxed crews working there has been very little workplace transmission. Further, there is serious disagreement in the scientific and medical communities on the injection and the ethical nature of mandates. Not to mention natural immunity. Nothing makes sense here with what is happening. Nothing. This covidianism has truly become a state sponsored religion.

sanicom3205

So you expect the company to essentially make international bid statuses available only to vaccinated pilots, and cram the rest of you into domestic only statuses? That creates a ton of training events in a company that’s already stretched.

Honestly though, that would be a fair solution here. We all know you anti vaxers won’t actually go for that though

ACEssXfer

Just because someone is anti-mandate does not make them an anti-vaxxer. I agree with in theory with some of what he said although he is a little too extreme for me.

I am one billion percent anti mandate. I am at the same time fully vaccinated against covid. There is room for both.

rickair7777

I don't think the company should be responsible for gov mandates and people's personal choices. I don't think they should have to pay people to sit home for not getting vaccinated, hell if that was an option I'd tear up MY vaccine card and play dumb.

They could however run bids to account for people they think will disqualified from international. Problem there though is that "domestic" at every airline I've worked at really means "North America". I suspect all NB fleets go to Canada, hell even Cape Air does that IIRC.

I agree about the mandate, it's over-reach. Might be reasonable to require cabin crew and gate agents to be vaccinated for airlines who carry .gov pax on contract. But the whole company?