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Old 10-14-2021, 09:07 AM
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I don't think the company should be responsible for gov mandates and people's personal choices. I don't think they should have to pay people to sit home for not getting vaccinated, hell if that was an option I'd tear up MY vaccine card and play dumb.

They could however run bids to account for people they think will disqualified from international. Problem there though is that "domestic" at every airline I've worked at really means "North America". I suspect all NB fleets go to Canada, hell even Cape Air does that IIRC.



I agree about the mandate, it's over-reach. Might be reasonable to require cabin crew and gate agents to be vaccinated for airlines who carry .gov pax on contract. But the whole company?
I can understand where you’re all coming from re: govt mandates, although I disagree.

Let’s say 75% of foreign countries require the vaccine for entry. What do you think is the appropriate response by international carriers such as AA?
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Old 10-14-2021, 10:15 AM
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I can understand where you’re all coming from re: govt mandates, although I disagree.

Let’s say 75% of foreign countries require the vaccine for entry. What do you think is the appropriate response by international carriers such as AA?
Wait, we fly internationally?
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Old 10-14-2021, 05:36 PM
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Wait, we fly internationally?
Basically, all those trips leaving DFW... 😇
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Old 10-14-2021, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Won't supersede federal mandates, should those survive legal challenges.

Maybe true but he can fine the crap out of them.


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Old 10-14-2021, 08:18 PM
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Maybe true but he can fine the crap out of them.
Almost certainly can't do that either. States generally do not have to *enforce* federal mandates (example: sanctuary cities) but they cannot interfere either.
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Old 10-15-2021, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Almost certainly can't do that either. States generally do not have to *enforce* federal mandates (example: sanctuary cities) but they cannot interfere either.
Incorrect. Nullification and interposition are sound American legal doctrine. Do your own research.
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Old 10-15-2021, 05:50 AM
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Incorrect. Nullification and interposition are sound American legal doctrine. Do your own research.
Nullification:

The theory of nullification has never been legally upheld by federal courts. See McCulloch v. Maryland, State of Missouri v. Holland, and Crosby v. NFTC. Interposition

The courts have held that interposition is not a valid constitutional doctrine when invoked to block enforcement of federal law. See Cooper v. Aaron, where the Supreme Court explicitly rejected this bs theory. For those of you who don’t want to take something at face value (cough cough), the court stated that Brown V. Board of Education is the law of the land, states are bound by it, and whatever cute attempt you have at dismantling it will be struck down.

Yikes man, I’d suggest you do even a tiny bit of reading before acting like a legal authority. Took me all of five mins to find rulings by the Supreme Court explicitly disproving what you claim.
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The theory of nullification has never been legally upheld by federal courts. See McCulloch v. Maryland, State of Missouri v. Holland, and Crosby v. NFTC. Interposition

Yikes man, I’d suggest you do even a tiny bit of reading before acting like a legal authority. Took me all of five mins to find rulings by the Supreme Court explicitly disproving what you claim.
And you need to study history... whether the courts have upheld it or not doesn't matter, because it has been put in to practice multiple times throughout the history of the republic.

I suggest starting here:

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/nul...tion-overview/
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I usually stop reading when someone says "do your own research", because everyone nowadays knows, that means google.
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Old 10-15-2021, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
And you need to study history... whether the courts have upheld it or not doesn't matter, because it has been put in to practice multiple times throughout the history of the republic.

I suggest starting here:

https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/nul...tion-overview/
When the Supreme Court strikes down a law, it makes no difference? Is this truly what you’re saying?

What you’re saying is patently false and anyone who can read knows that.

But I’ll bite: from your link “Nullification is a fundamental part of the American political system. But what exactly does it mean?There are two definitions. One is legal. When a court strikes down a law, it literally wipes it off the books. But there is also a practical definition – to make something of no value or consequence.”

By the “legal definition” provided above, the Supreme Court is just that: supreme. What they rule is the law of the land, and I have laid out the precedence above that blows your argument out of the water. If they say a state law is illegal, that law no longer exists. Pretty simple here man.

The “practical definition” pretty much says that while the law still exists, it isn’t enforced per se. These airlines are complying, and it is without a doubt within a private company’s right to make you get a vaccine or face dismissal. Got any more links that prove your inability to read and apply theories to what’s actually happening in the real world?

I swear you guys will latch on to anything that makes you feel better for small periods of time. Reality looms
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