272922

I mean, don't you know that Envoy, er, I mean American Eagle is the Delta of the regionals? I mean, they have all the scheduling tools mainline does. The transitions are way easier for them because they know all those command lines for Sabre or something like that. Us mere Blue Streakers aren't even worthy to shine their shoes, because somehow we brought down the whole industry that was designed to pay people less by getting pay raises long before they did. It's all so confusing, but they're Envoy, so they must be right.

And how do I know all this? Easy, some caped crusader will tell me it is so. Or maybe a big dog. I dunno, something like that.

daOldMan

Not really defending the company because they continually make a critical error whereas they believe that the image of the company is something that it is not.

The company had plenty of prior CJOs from before COVID to fill all classes. Their plan was to just use those candidates to fill all of the classes this year. In the mind of management, AA is the best airline and people will drop what they are doing elsewhere and come to AA. They quickly found out that they couldn't fill classes because most of the prior CJOs went elsewhere and they were not going to come to AA. Since AA was the last legacy to start hiring, we were way behind.

By the time AA had their first indoc class in September, Delta had already hired 150 in 2021 and United had already hired over 600. This is in addition to all of the cargo hiring that has continued throughout the Covid era.

So, now AA has to play catchup.

The other problem that all of the major airlines are having right now is the people with multiple class offers from different airlines and people are waiting until a week before to make a decision. Or, even worse, the people that start class at one airline and leave after just a few days. One of my friends son has offers right now from United, FedEx, and Delta. CJO's at each. He has 2 class dates, both in December, and still waiting for a class date for FedEx. He doesn't know which one he is going to take, and plans to decide about two weeks before the class. At that time, at least one airline will have to quickly move somebody up to an earlier class or have an empty seat.

Yes, AA is struggling right now, but they will catch up. We do have one thing going for us right now. FedEx classes are booked until June and United classes are booked until March. This is AA's opportunity to grab a bunch of pilots that want to start class quickly. AA also has the most retirements, by far, so that is going to help a lot too. There is little competition right now for class dates in 2021 or early 2022 as AA is the only one with seats in the classes still open.

Inclined plane

Glad I’m coming to your shop then!


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Mach86

In your opinion, would living 20min from MIA and A’A future retirements be enough to sway the vote in AA’s favor?

CJO @DL and haven’t applied to AA yet.

LBFO79

simply my opinion, but if you have a CJO at Delta then I would stick with that. American is not a strong enough carrier to currently justify a move from Delta to AA, or even choosing American over Delta if American were to offer you an earlier class. American is not performing as well as our competitors. Seniority at American, while it might be higher, gets you less bang for your buck than at Delta too.

Tjeff

It’s greater seniority and a 20 minute drive. You’re saying that you’d rather have less seniority and commute your whole career versus a 20 minute drive? Don’t get me wrong I believe AA has a lot of problems and DL is a stronger more stable company currently but idk if it’s a slam dunk to commute to DL over a drive to AA.

TallFlyer

Let’s be real about something: you’re not turning down a class date at DAL to hope that AA calls. Go to DAL, and IF AA calls only then do you have a decision to make.


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LBFO79

on reserve he will have extra 1 to 3 MORE scheduled days off at Delta each month. Reserve schedules are more flexible under their PBS system too. And again, seniority at Delta goes a lot further than the same seniority % at American. Starting in 2022, Delta will be giving out profit sharing again. American will likely lose money again in 2022….they are too inefficient in scheduling practices, and they have lost much of their good-will with labor…..sorry “team members”.

Let’s not forget, Delta has already given him/her a CJO. Just my opinion, but having worked at both, I’d go Delta even considering the commute.

DoNoHarm

What exactly does this have to do with class drops?

MartyM

Apply to AA at least and see what happens. If your class date for Delta comes up, go. If you get a CJO at AA quickly, I'd jump over to AA simply to not commute. Living in base makes an enormous difference in QOL.