AA AIP??
06-30-2022, 04:15 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by NotPhlying
Didn't see anything about retro pay..
06-30-2022, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
What do you mean by the duration of the deal? It’s a two year deal but then it just becomes amendable. Are you under the impression that somehow the contract language expires and disappears when it’s amendable? Deltas contract is amendable. Their profit sharing plan is still there. What do you even mean?
06-30-2022, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
When was AA’s contract amendable? When did you receive your last raise and what year did it cover? (At United, our last raise was Jan 1, 2019, and the raise covered 2019, so we are negotiating for 2020 and on).
06-30-2022, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
What do you mean by the duration of the deal? It’s a two year deal but then it just becomes amendable. Are you under the impression that somehow the contract language expires and disappears when it’s amendable? Deltas contract is amendable. Their profit sharing plan is still there. What do you even mean?
Its a "2 year deal" So, we can add about 3 years to it right now. By the time we get another raise after this agreement is amendable we will have 50% less buying power than we did in 2019. ( exagerated)
06-30-2022, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
think he/she is saying AA won’t make delta profits in the next 2-3 years. Not that it expires after amendable.
06-30-2022, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
Its a "2 year deal" So, we can add about 3 years to it right now. By the time we get another raise after this agreement is amendable we will have 50% less buying power than we did in 2019. ( exagerated)
06-30-2022, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
What do you mean by the duration of the deal? It’s a two year deal but then it just becomes amendable. Are you under the impression that somehow the contract language expires and disappears when it’s amendable? Deltas contract is amendable. Their profit sharing plan is still there. What do you even mean?
06-30-2022, 04:42 PM
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How the F is AA supposed to make a profit when paying RJ pilots $600-$1200/hr?!
I’m joking of course, but the reality is AA doesn’t and likely won’t have its financial house in order and this is just a cursory glimpse at how screwed up they are in the puzzle palace.
I won’t ever subscribe to being a “I only vote no” rebel pilot, however reading the bullet points on this one is incredibly easy to say not only no, but hell no!
I’m joking of course, but the reality is AA doesn’t and likely won’t have its financial house in order and this is just a cursory glimpse at how screwed up they are in the puzzle palace.
I won’t ever subscribe to being a “I only vote no” rebel pilot, however reading the bullet points on this one is incredibly easy to say not only no, but hell no!
06-30-2022, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Saabs
think he/she is saying AA won’t make delta profits in the next 2-3 years. Not that it expires after amendable.
Agreed, that’s the way I read it.
1. We won’t be making the same profit as Delta over the course of this agreement. (So significantly less value)
2. As understood, Delta pilots get the Delta pilots profit sharing - AA pilots will get a “delta like plan” which will include many other work groups at AA. (AKA more people at a smaller pot - so significantly less value)
3. It won’t go away at the amendable date, it’s just not all it’s cracked up to be without solid language. (So worthless gain in the long run)
That’s how I see that part.
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