TTS 2.0 feedback
02-27-2023, 05:13 AM
#11
Speed Verified
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,027
Lots of fixes needed for CS and what's black and white in what they can and can't do. Gotta love the phone ringing on my last day off, voicemail, "Please call us back to discuss your sequence." Hmmm 
Nope. Please know the contract between you and me, how about that? Ugh.
Nope. Please know the contract between you and me, how about that? Ugh.
02-27-2023, 05:20 AM
#12
Eating A Gruben
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,065
Originally Posted by Arado 234
"Listen son! You'll be senior one day! Go fly your trips and don't complain! We never had trip trading here!"
- APA
What do you expect from a company that hAAtes their pilots? I heard the lady in charge of scheduling is a special hAAter!
I won't vote yes, unless this scheduling issue is fixed. I want more flexibility with trip trading. And if I need days off, I am not afraid to walk to the CP office for EOs. At this point, I don't care if I run out of sick time.
F this place!
- APA
What do you expect from a company that hAAtes their pilots? I heard the lady in charge of scheduling is a special hAAter!
I won't vote yes, unless this scheduling issue is fixed. I want more flexibility with trip trading. And if I need days off, I am not afraid to walk to the CP office for EOs. At this point, I don't care if I run out of sick time.
F this place!
All of our batch runs have taken place way later than 8am and 8pm. Maybe I'm being a theorist here, but I don't think it's a "technical glitch" like they've been leading us to believe. I believe they are running fake batch runs, and seeing what the system does. Then they are tweaking inputs to make sure open time is not increased. Also, take a look at open time for March in your bid status. If you're nb, you'll notice there are hardly and 1 day trips, and even fewer 2 days. That's not a mistake, as one and two day trips should be the easiest to drop, as senior folks often did. Without them in open time, the entire system is locked up for trading your trip down in footprint. By keeping 1 and 2 day trips on senior pilots schedules, a "ripple up" effect is created where no one can trade. The company knows this, and is using it to their advantage. They only have to figure a way to keep smaller footprint trips out of open time and the rest will fall into place. Even though it's clear what they're doing, I doubt it's on APA's radar.
I cannot believe how much this pilot group is willing to put up with before even thinking about fighting back. Perhaps the PM gravy train grinding to a halt will finally ruffle some feathers. Probably not though
02-27-2023, 05:26 AM
#13
Speed Verified
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,027
Originally Posted by sanicom3205
Prior to the rollout of TTS 2.0 and RT, I. believed the way to fix all of our scheduling flexibility issues was to have set parameters for determining open time limits. I no longer believe that, and think this system is going to make it harder to hold AA accountable with trip flexibility.
All of our batch runs have taken place way later than 8am and 8pm. Maybe I'm being a theorist here, but I don't think it's a "technical glitch" like they've been leading us to believe. I believe they are running fake batch runs, and seeing what the system does. Then they are tweaking inputs to make sure open time is not increased. Also, take a look at open time for March in your bid status. If you're nb, you'll notice there are hardly and 1 day trips, and even fewer 2 days. That's not a mistake, as one and two day trips should be the easiest to drop, as senior folks often did. Without them in open time, the entire system is locked up for trading your trip down in footprint. By keeping 1 and 2 day trips on senior pilots schedules, a "ripple up" effect is created where no one can trade. The company knows this, and is using it to their advantage. They only have to figure a way to keep smaller footprint trips out of open time and the rest will fall into place. Even though it's clear what they're doing, I doubt it's on APA's radar.
I cannot believe how much this pilot group is willing to put up with before even thinking about fighting back. Perhaps the PM gravy train grinding to a halt will finally ruffle some feathers. Probably not though
All of our batch runs have taken place way later than 8am and 8pm. Maybe I'm being a theorist here, but I don't think it's a "technical glitch" like they've been leading us to believe. I believe they are running fake batch runs, and seeing what the system does. Then they are tweaking inputs to make sure open time is not increased. Also, take a look at open time for March in your bid status. If you're nb, you'll notice there are hardly and 1 day trips, and even fewer 2 days. That's not a mistake, as one and two day trips should be the easiest to drop, as senior folks often did. Without them in open time, the entire system is locked up for trading your trip down in footprint. By keeping 1 and 2 day trips on senior pilots schedules, a "ripple up" effect is created where no one can trade. The company knows this, and is using it to their advantage. They only have to figure a way to keep smaller footprint trips out of open time and the rest will fall into place. Even though it's clear what they're doing, I doubt it's on APA's radar.
I cannot believe how much this pilot group is willing to put up with before even thinking about fighting back. Perhaps the PM gravy train grinding to a halt will finally ruffle some feathers. Probably not though
02-27-2023, 07:03 AM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 210
Anecdotally, the RT feature seems to have much more trip availability than the old system. I’m too hesitant to test it out, but the guide claims the green legal check mark replaces N4TL and on some four day trips I’m getting options for a day trip turn, two days, and three day trades. There certainly seems to be more available for me to trade for than the old system, and I was able to impact my QOL for next month when I was able to trade a trip that I was needing to work around.
02-27-2023, 07:22 AM
#15
Eating A Gruben
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,065
Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay
Anecdotally, the RT feature seems to have much more trip availability than the old system. I’m too hesitant to test it out, but the guide claims the green legal check mark replaces N4TL and on some four day trips I’m getting options for a day trip turn, two days, and three day trades. There certainly seems to be more available for me to trade for than the old system, and I was able to impact my QOL for next month when I was able to trade a trip that I was needing to work around.
02-27-2023, 07:31 AM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 210
Originally Posted by sanicom3205
Select “legal” and “trade finder”. Select the whole month for date range. That’s your new N4TL
02-27-2023, 07:52 AM
#17
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,121
Originally Posted by sanicom3205
Prior to the rollout of TTS 2.0 and RT, I. believed the way to fix all of our scheduling flexibility issues was to have set parameters for determining open time limits. I no longer believe that, and think this system is going to make it harder to hold AA accountable with trip flexibility.
All of our batch runs have taken place way later than 8am and 8pm. Maybe I'm being a theorist here, but I don't think it's a "technical glitch" like they've been leading us to believe. I believe they are running fake batch runs, and seeing what the system does. Then they are tweaking inputs to make sure open time is not increased. Also, take a look at open time for March in your bid status. If you're nb, you'll notice there are hardly and 1 day trips, and even fewer 2 days. That's not a mistake, as one and two day trips should be the easiest to drop, as senior folks often did. Without them in open time, the entire system is locked up for trading your trip down in footprint. By keeping 1 and 2 day trips on senior pilots schedules, a "ripple up" effect is created where no one can trade. The company knows this, and is using it to their advantage. They only have to figure a way to keep smaller footprint trips out of open time and the rest will fall into place. Even though it's clear what they're doing, I doubt it's on APA's radar.
I cannot believe how much this pilot group is willing to put up with before even thinking about fighting back. Perhaps the PM gravy train grinding to a halt will finally ruffle some feathers. Probably not though
All of our batch runs have taken place way later than 8am and 8pm. Maybe I'm being a theorist here, but I don't think it's a "technical glitch" like they've been leading us to believe. I believe they are running fake batch runs, and seeing what the system does. Then they are tweaking inputs to make sure open time is not increased. Also, take a look at open time for March in your bid status. If you're nb, you'll notice there are hardly and 1 day trips, and even fewer 2 days. That's not a mistake, as one and two day trips should be the easiest to drop, as senior folks often did. Without them in open time, the entire system is locked up for trading your trip down in footprint. By keeping 1 and 2 day trips on senior pilots schedules, a "ripple up" effect is created where no one can trade. The company knows this, and is using it to their advantage. They only have to figure a way to keep smaller footprint trips out of open time and the rest will fall into place. Even though it's clear what they're doing, I doubt it's on APA's radar.
I cannot believe how much this pilot group is willing to put up with before even thinking about fighting back. Perhaps the PM gravy train grinding to a halt will finally ruffle some feathers. Probably not though
02-27-2023, 10:36 AM
#18
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,728
Interestingly, on the 777 in NYC (FO) there's a bunch of stuff out there for real time trading, including a few 'smaller' trips (including Miami turns on the 2nd and 10th). Lots of garbage 15:45 Europe though. I also have a Doha trip on the third week that's green and can be straight dropped. I actually like the schedule I was awarded and won't futz with it, but I was surprised to see things not as locked down. It's tempting to drop and trade down to just the two turns, but I still need to consolidate. 
02-27-2023, 10:51 AM
#19
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,764
DFW APA Reps email (excerpt):
Management continues to fail its pilots in every key quality of life aspect. TTS and TTS RTT are concrete examples Minimum Viable Product (MVP). Their inability to ensure these key tools are functioning properly comes as no surprise. Management’s response to last week’s TTS/TTOT delayed run times is another example of how little your contract and your quality of work life matter to them. If you were affected by the delay of TTS/TTOT for the March bid month, we urge you to provide direct and respectful feedback to Mr. Thomas C*** (Managing Director Crew Scheduling and Support) and Mr. JC G*** (Senior VP Flight Ops and IOC). They can’t fix what they don’t know is broken.
Management continues to fail its pilots in every key quality of life aspect. TTS and TTS RTT are concrete examples Minimum Viable Product (MVP). Their inability to ensure these key tools are functioning properly comes as no surprise. Management’s response to last week’s TTS/TTOT delayed run times is another example of how little your contract and your quality of work life matter to them. If you were affected by the delay of TTS/TTOT for the March bid month, we urge you to provide direct and respectful feedback to Mr. Thomas C*** (Managing Director Crew Scheduling and Support) and Mr. JC G*** (Senior VP Flight Ops and IOC). They can’t fix what they don’t know is broken.
02-27-2023, 12:05 PM
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 2,297
This is the problem with having 15,000 pilots. A super vocal group made it clear that they don't ever want to be reassigned off their trip and they don't want RO. So the APA focused on that in negotiations. Meanwhile they didn't ask for **** with regards to sequence construction (ie, even split of 1,2,3,4 day trips and a smattering of 5 day trips) and they didn't ask for anything about trip trading and minimum green trips to drop. Super frustrating. While I see the importance of fixing RA's and RO, I find the latter set of problems far more important.
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