AA vs UAL
03-25-2023, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue
That is actually not true - the 787 order is replacing the 53 (763/764s), and the rest are growth airplanes.
03-25-2023, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Montcalm
Agreed, I think AA is in a pretty decent position. The international flying will come back. 83+ long haul jets coming down the pipe, all growth.
UA's 787 order is all 756/777 replacement.
UA's 787 order is all 756/777 replacement.
03-25-2023, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Just talked to a neighbor. Senior AA scheduler. Just starting 7 more daily trips across the Pacific, from 3 different hubs. 1 is a 777, 6 are 787.
03-25-2023, 06:17 PM
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The thing about AA is that because of their debt, they tend to have less maneuvering room once revenue tanks. So they have to make deeper cuts quicker. Look at Covid. What does seniority matter if you’re getting furloughed and your relatively less senior cohorts at other companies aren’t?
03-25-2023, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
The thing about AA is that because of their debt, they tend to have less maneuvering room once revenue tanks. So they have to make deeper cuts quicker. Look at Covid. What does seniority matter if you’re getting furloughed and your relatively less senior cohorts at other companies aren’t?
Furloughs? With the massive amount of retirements at AA there would have to pretty much be an apocalypse event for that to happen.
03-25-2023, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
The thing about AA is that because of their debt, they tend to have less maneuvering room once revenue tanks. So they have to make deeper cuts quicker. Look at Covid. What does seniority matter if you’re getting furloughed and your relatively less senior cohorts at other companies aren’t?
03-25-2023, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
The thing about AA is that because of their debt, they tend to have less maneuvering room once revenue tanks. So they have to make deeper cuts quicker. Look at Covid. What does seniority matter if you’re getting furloughed and your relatively less senior cohorts at other companies aren’t?
03-25-2023, 09:24 PM
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UA will always have more widebody flying than AA because of the hub structure. AA has far less premium hub cities, which is partially why they have moved their product closer to the LCC space.
Not much demand for $16,000 paid business class tickets to PHX, CLT or PHL. SFO and EWR are very different stories. AAG moved capacity away from the AMR hubs to get unit costs down and subsequently killed their yields in the process. Chicago and Ny are the best examples.
Star alliance is also a huge benefactor to UA. Lufthansa has really hemmed up business traffic in Europe and ANA/Singapore/Air China truly unbeatable in Asia. Losing LATAM is already showing on AA schedules with capacity to Argentina and Brazil down about 50% from pre pandemic.
AA has to stop retreating.
Not much demand for $16,000 paid business class tickets to PHX, CLT or PHL. SFO and EWR are very different stories. AAG moved capacity away from the AMR hubs to get unit costs down and subsequently killed their yields in the process. Chicago and Ny are the best examples.
Star alliance is also a huge benefactor to UA. Lufthansa has really hemmed up business traffic in Europe and ANA/Singapore/Air China truly unbeatable in Asia. Losing LATAM is already showing on AA schedules with capacity to Argentina and Brazil down about 50% from pre pandemic.
AA has to stop retreating.
03-26-2023, 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mainline Mulier
UA will always have more widebody flying than AA because of the hub structure. AA has far less premium hub cities, which is partially why they have moved their product closer to the LCC space.
Not much demand for $16,000 paid business class tickets to PHX, CLT or PHL. SFO and EWR are very different stories. AAG moved capacity away from the AMR hubs to get unit costs down and subsequently killed their yields in the process. Chicago and Ny are the best examples.
Star alliance is also a huge benefactor to UA. Lufthansa has really hemmed up business traffic in Europe and ANA/Singapore/Air China truly unbeatable in Asia. Losing LATAM is already showing on AA schedules with capacity to Argentina and Brazil down about 50% from pre pandemic.
AA has to stop retreating.
Not much demand for $16,000 paid business class tickets to PHX, CLT or PHL. SFO and EWR are very different stories. AAG moved capacity away from the AMR hubs to get unit costs down and subsequently killed their yields in the process. Chicago and Ny are the best examples.
Star alliance is also a huge benefactor to UA. Lufthansa has really hemmed up business traffic in Europe and ANA/Singapore/Air China truly unbeatable in Asia. Losing LATAM is already showing on AA schedules with capacity to Argentina and Brazil down about 50% from pre pandemic.
AA has to stop retreating.
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