AA vs UAL
03-26-2023, 04:30 AM
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Phl / xlr
Looking ahead, XLR add should be a net-add for PHL starting next year. Not the greatest tool
for what is planned on it but oh well. Commuting w AA couldn’t be easier w jumpseat reservations etc.. good luck with decision, it’s a good problem to have.
for what is planned on it but oh well. Commuting w AA couldn’t be easier w jumpseat reservations etc.. good luck with decision, it’s a good problem to have.
03-26-2023, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
RASM in NYC is the lowest of all the hubs, while it is highest in the fortress hubs. I think PHL is actually top daddy at the moment. It sucks but until we get the rest of the planes, gotta chase the money where it actually is right now
03-26-2023, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
A bit of a dramatic outlook. AA has been aggressively paying down debt, to the point that once UAL and DAL complete their fleet renewal they’ll have just as much, if not more, than AA’s debt.
Furloughs? With the massive amount of retirements at AA there would have to pretty much be an apocalypse event for that to happen.
Furloughs? With the massive amount of retirements at AA there would have to pretty much be an apocalypse event for that to happen.
03-26-2023, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
RASM in NYC is the lowest of all the hubs, while it is highest in the fortress hubs. I think PHL is actually top daddy at the moment. It sucks but until we get the rest of the planes, gotta chase the money where it actually is right now
The schedule is small and uncompetitive, 3rd place in NYC, maybe even 4th behind JetBlue. It isn’t the same revenue experience for Delta or UAL.
Another example is UAL/AA at ORD. UAL commands a premium. Business flyers want to earn miles and status with the airlines that provide the most options in their market.
03-26-2023, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mainline Mulier
It is for AA for the very reason I noted above. Retreated and RASM died.
The schedule is small and uncompetitive, 3rd place in NYC, maybe even 4th behind JetBlue. It isn’t the same revenue experience for Delta or UAL.
Another example is UAL/AA at ORD. UAL commands a premium. Business flyers want to earn miles and status with the airlines that provide the most options in their market.
The schedule is small and uncompetitive, 3rd place in NYC, maybe even 4th behind JetBlue. It isn’t the same revenue experience for Delta or UAL.
Another example is UAL/AA at ORD. UAL commands a premium. Business flyers want to earn miles and status with the airlines that provide the most options in their market.
03-26-2023, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
By your logic, Our deal with JB right now should be improving our RASM in NYC but it still lags
The west coast strategy is also concerning. AMR was a major domestic player in the LA basin. That has eroded to the gain of SWA and Alaska. Flying more seats out of DFW/CLT isn't going to solve it.
03-26-2023, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ObiOne
Hey everyone, I’ve looked through some threads and there seem to be plenty of “AA vs DAL” or “Leaving AA for DAL” threads, but not much of anything (recently) comparing AA with United.
I personally am in the PA/NJ area, so PHL and EWR are very accessible, with JFK/LGA being more of a fringe possibility.
The way I see it, both have certain advantages…
AA:
- Seems to have best upward seniority mobility for a person in mid to late 20’s
- PHL most accessible to me
- Possibly easier to pursue opportunities in addition to line flying given short drive to PHL
- Greatest number of good bases (by a long shot)
- New fleet, so likely to accrue least amount of debt going forward
UAL:
- Also good seniority progression (despite having hired ~3000 since covid)
- EWR is a key hub with more flying opportunities than PHL
- Insane amount of widebodies/orders (wide body flying high priority)
- Less current debt
- Clearest vision for expansion going forward
They both seem to be roughly the same in terms of quality of life at the moment, despite their differences.
Both are great potential paths, so I am curious if anyone with more experience than I has any input as to whether my perception of things is accurate. As always, it’s appreciated.
I personally am in the PA/NJ area, so PHL and EWR are very accessible, with JFK/LGA being more of a fringe possibility.
The way I see it, both have certain advantages…
AA:
- Seems to have best upward seniority mobility for a person in mid to late 20’s
- PHL most accessible to me
- Possibly easier to pursue opportunities in addition to line flying given short drive to PHL
- Greatest number of good bases (by a long shot)
- New fleet, so likely to accrue least amount of debt going forward
UAL:
- Also good seniority progression (despite having hired ~3000 since covid)
- EWR is a key hub with more flying opportunities than PHL
- Insane amount of widebodies/orders (wide body flying high priority)
- Less current debt
- Clearest vision for expansion going forward
They both seem to be roughly the same in terms of quality of life at the moment, despite their differences.
Both are great potential paths, so I am curious if anyone with more experience than I has any input as to whether my perception of things is accurate. As always, it’s appreciated.
If you want to be able to bid Widebody FO, and be a line holder soon, or 737 Captain in about a year, United. If you don’t like the 737, probably AA… United plans to have 700+ of them allegedly and are parking airbuses as the new ones are delivered and will only have 120 321/XLR.
Widebody Captain upgrade opportunities favor United, as does profit sharing and first class deadhead. AA has “report promptly” for reserve call outs and “sick if needed”.
Retirements favor AA, but APA let AA furlough thousands where UPA worked with UAL to keep everyone on property during the pandemic. No promises either will happen the same way in the future.
Both are led by smoke blowing leadership so I wouldn’t buy into any sound bites you hear. You can take a look at the financials to see if one scares you more than the other. From what I can tell they’re about 70% similar. Not so much that I would drive past one and drive an extra hour to work at the other.
Good problem to have.
03-26-2023, 09:02 AM
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Thanks to everyone for the responses so far. All are appreciated.
As a quick aside, is there any data on how many AA has already hired in this post-covid hiring wave? Is it fair to say AA is earlier on in the wave than United?
As a quick aside, is there any data on how many AA has already hired in this post-covid hiring wave? Is it fair to say AA is earlier on in the wave than United?
03-26-2023, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ObiOne
Thanks to everyone for the responses so far. All are appreciated.
As a quick aside, is there any data on how many AA has already hired in this post-covid hiring wave? Is it fair to say AA is earlier on in the wave than United?
As a quick aside, is there any data on how many AA has already hired in this post-covid hiring wave? Is it fair to say AA is earlier on in the wave than United?
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