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AA 2nd QTR Profit - $1.3 B
American Airlines is reporting a $1.34 billion profit for the second quarter, boosted by strong ticket sales and a huge drop in the price of jet fuel and the airline raised its profit expectations for the year. Revenue rose 5% to a quarterly record of $14.06 billion. International travel in particular is picking up, and that is helping American, United Airlines and Delta Air Lines. Great news... |
Originally Posted by hercretired
(Post 3669376)
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
(Post 3669418)
nonono. The sky 🌌 a falling, vote yes, because…. Hunter has nuke up his butt and he is off to Thailand?
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Originally Posted by Supermoto
(Post 3669447)
The stock market hit record highs 3 months before the Great Financial Crisis in 2008. Similar to the dot com bust in 2001, and the previous recession... and the previous.... Where will we be in 6-12 months? Nobody knows, but smart money (insiders, CEOs, executives) are selling off at record rates while retail investors with a 1 month outlook are piling in right now.... just like every time before. But this time is different right?
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Originally Posted by Icaruss
(Post 3669453)
You should write for The Economist.
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Originally Posted by Supermoto
(Post 3669468)
If I did, I would write VOTE YES! A year ago I would have thought the opposite. I think we're out of time for that now.
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Originally Posted by Supermoto
(Post 3669447)
The stock market hit record highs 3 months before the Great Financial Crisis in 2008. Similar to the dot com bust in 2001, and the previous recession... and the previous.... Where will we be in 6-12 months? Nobody knows, but smart money (insiders, CEOs, executives) are selling off at record rates while retail investors with a 1 month outlook are piling in right now.... just like every time before. But this time is different right?
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Originally Posted by hercretired
(Post 3669591)
no they are not
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Originally Posted by Supermoto
(Post 3669447)
The stock market hit record highs 3 months before the Great Financial Crisis in 2008. Similar to the dot com bust in 2001, and the previous recession... and the previous.... Where will we be in 6-12 months? Nobody knows, but smart money (insiders, CEOs, executives) are selling off at record rates while retail investors with a 1 month outlook are piling in right now.... just like every time before. But this time is different right?
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Quick, someone tell us to get our financial house in order
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Originally Posted by Setspeed
(Post 3669652)
Quick, someone tell us to get our financial house in order
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Originally Posted by Icaruss
(Post 3669453)
You should write for The Economist.
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Originally Posted by Montcalm
(Post 3669613)
We found the love child of El Peso and Excargodog.
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Originally Posted by Setspeed
(Post 3669652)
Quick, someone tell us to get our financial house in order
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Originally Posted by hercretired
(Post 3669376)
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Originally Posted by Supermoto
(Post 3669468)
If I did, I would write VOTE YES!.
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Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver
(Post 3671420)
Yeah, but hasn't AA done exactly just that over the last year or so? Or were you referring to the personal finance angle?
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Originally Posted by Supermoto
(Post 3669447)
The stock market hit record highs 3 months before the Great Financial Crisis in 2008. Similar to the dot com bust in 2001, and the previous recession... and the previous.... Where will we be in 6-12 months? Nobody knows, but smart money (insiders, CEOs, executives) are selling off at record rates while retail investors with a 1 month outlook are piling in right now.... just like every time before. But this time is different right?
Let me rephrase. The US Government / Federal Reserve will never let what happened in 2008 as far as unemployment/massive foreclosures happen again. They learned from the event, and used that knowledge to stop what would've happened in 2020 with covid w/ 25%+ unemployment. It's not politically feasible to allow for large scale unemployment. Inflation is a far easier pill to swallow. 7 of 8 recessions have been preceded by a runup in energy prices. If you see energy (read: gasoline) hitting $6/gal, economic cuts will begin. But keep in mind, even at that level, gas is well below its economic peak. It peaked around $4.00/gal in 2008 which is approximately $6.00/gal in 2023. However, cars get almost 50% better gas mileage as a median than they did back then, when most of the cars sold were large SUVs getting 20 mpg or under (remember the Excursion? LOL). So the reality is, until they hit ~$9.00/gal, we're not where we were back then as far as gasoline taking that big of a bite out of household budgets. Obviously, if expensive gas is not accompanied by an increase in economic activity, airlines will suffer greatly. Generally, the two are correlated (higher economic activity = higher gasoline demand/prices). This "recession" being talked about for over a year - I've never been concerned, mostly because it's always been something that happens out of left field no one sees coming vs a planned event. Even if energy prices increase substantially, if we get to the point where it will cause pain on the American consumer - look to government "gas card" subsidies, mortgage moratoriums similar to the student loan deal, etc. |
Originally Posted by Name User
(Post 3671675)
I am likely one of the most pessimistic people when it comes to economic thinking on the planet. The 2008 financial crisis will never happen again.
Let me rephrase. The US Government / Federal Reserve will never let what happened in 2008 as far as unemployment/massive foreclosures happen again. They learned from the event, and used that knowledge to stop what would've happened in 2020 with covid w/ 25%+ unemployment. It's not politically feasible to allow for large scale unemployment. Inflation is a far easier pill to swallow. 7 of 8 recessions have been preceded by a runup in energy prices. If you see energy (read: gasoline) hitting $6/gal, economic cuts will begin. But keep in mind, even at that level, gas is well below its economic peak. It peaked around $4.00/gal in 2008 which is approximately $6.00/gal in 2023. However, cars get almost 50% better gas mileage as a median than they did back then, when most of the cars sold were large SUVs getting 20 mpg or under (remember the Excursion? LOL). So the reality is, until they hit ~$9.00/gal, we're not where we were back then as far as gasoline taking that big of a bite out of household budgets. Obviously, if expensive gas is not accompanied by an increase in economic activity, airlines will suffer greatly. Generally, the two are correlated (higher economic activity = higher gasoline demand/prices). This "recession" being talked about for over a year - I've never been concerned, mostly because it's always been something that happens out of left field no one sees coming vs a planned event. Even if energy prices increase substantially, if we get to the point where it will cause pain on the American consumer - look to government "gas card" subsidies, mortgage moratoriums similar to the student loan deal, etc. |
Originally Posted by Dunkin
(Post 3671968)
Good points. Also the mergers have finally allowed the airlines to pass on increased gas prices to the consumers vs 2008. Airlines today could still be profitable at $150 oil, esp Delta/United/AA since their average passenger has a higher income than the LCC pax. Retiring boomers have a ton of wealth that they will be spending on travel in the next 10 years.
Like I said I am pessimistic but even I feel like things are going to be pretty good for a while. The amount of movement is going to really help morale out. |
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