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Brickfire 10-11-2023 10:40 AM

Probation probation probation

Your goal should be the chief pilot never seeing your name for the first year.

bababouey 10-11-2023 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Flapps3658 (Post 3709282)
Speaking of commuting; I’m trying to wrap my head around some things. I am a new hire living in Tampa. I thought being based in Miami and bidding LC would be a no brainer. After speaking to several people, I was told that I would be better off commuting to CLT, DFW, or PHL. Reason being that I will have a hard time non-reving to MIA from TPA due to the large amount of AA commuters. Checking AA, it looks like there are 5-6 flights a day from TPA to MIA. So my question is, if the commuter policy says I only need 1 flight to get me to base on time, why do I care if the flights are full, I get bumped or can’t reserve a jump seat? I have met the commuter policy, haven’t I? What am I missing? Caveat, I understand I’ll be on probation and I’m not going to do anything to jeopardize my job. Just don’t fully understand why commuting to another base would make much sense. TIA for comments

I’ve met very few Clt commuters from Tampa. You can’t drive it though like Miami if you had to. All Airbus Clt-tpa all the time, Miami is only 2/6 Airbus with 2 envoys right now.

Flapps3658 10-11-2023 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3709293)
Bid long call and book the jumpseat when it opens 8 days out. Proffer for trips, and you’ll be fine. You don’t want to burn commuter misses due to laziness. You’ll take a financial hit and potentially get a chief pilot meeting if you do it too often.

Copy, thx! Definitely not trying to use it as any type of excuse. Being new to all this stuff from CBA to PBS bidding, commuting, etc…is a lot to understand and swallow. I’m sure it is gonna be a ton of trial and error.

Flapps3658 10-11-2023 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Brickfire (Post 3709295)
Probation probation probation

Your goal should be the chief pilot never seeing your name for the first year.

Agreed!!! He should never no my name.

TallFlyer 10-11-2023 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Flapps3658 (Post 3709282)
Speaking of commuting; I’m trying to wrap my head around some things. I am a new hire living in Tampa. I thought being based in Miami and bidding LC would be a no brainer. After speaking to several people, I was told that I would be better off commuting to CLT, DFW, or PHL. Reason being that I will have a hard time non-reving to MIA from TPA due to the large amount of AA commuters. Checking AA, it looks like there are 5-6 flights a day from TPA to MIA. So my question is, if the commuter policy says I only need 1 flight to get me to base on time, why do I care if the flights are full, I get bumped or can’t reserve a jump seat? I have met the commuter policy, haven’t I? What am I missing? Caveat, I understand I’ll be on probation and I’m not going to do anything to jeopardize my job. Just don’t fully understand why commuting to another base would make much sense. TIA for comments

Just looking at tomorrow, there are 6 flights TPA-MIA, half of them Envoy, one a 737, and the others 319s, which leaves you a total of 5 reservable jumpseats to work. There are 9 flights to CLT, all 321, which means you have 18 reservable jumpseats to work, to say nothing of the additional seats in the back of the aircraft. A sample size of one, I'll grant you, but I imagine the stats are similar throughout the year. MIA would grant you the ace in the hole of driving, though.

I think the idea of commuting to CLT could be a good one unless you like the drive. Now, once you can hold MIA 777, a whole other calculation.

Flapps3658 10-11-2023 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 3709321)
Just looking at tomorrow, there are 6 flights TPA-MIA, half of them Envoy, one a 737, and the others 319s, which leaves you a total of 5 reservable jumpseats to work. There are 9 flights to CLT, all 321, which means you have 18 reservable jumpseats to work, to say nothing of the additional seats in the back of the aircraft. A sample size of one, I'll grant you, but I imagine the stats are similar throughout the year. MIA would grant you the ace in the hole of driving, though.

I think the idea of commuting to CLT could be a good one unless you like the drive. Now, once you can hold MIA 777, a whole other calculation.

Yea, I missed that half the flights where on Envoy.

PRS Guitars 10-11-2023 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3709293)
Bid long call and book the jumpseat when it opens 8 days out. Proffer for trips, and you’ll be fine. You don’t want to burn commuter misses due to laziness. You’ll take a financial hit and potentially get a chief pilot meeting if you do it too often.

Wait, book which jumpseat? Are you going to book a seat every day? That would tie up many seats…that mostly would not get used. On reserve I only bid a seat when I’m pretty sure I’m getting my proffered trip, or after I’ve been assigned a trip…so day before only.

Lifeson2112 10-11-2023 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 3709399)
Wait, book which jumpseat? Are you going to book a seat every day? That would tie up many seats…that mostly would not get used. On reserve I only bid a seat when I’m pretty sure I’m getting my proffered trip, or after I’ve been assigned a trip…so day before only.

I’m assuming he means the jumpseat to get there on day 1 of reserve block around 1130AM or so.

MCDUmanipulator 10-11-2023 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 3709225)
AAs is hands down better. No second flight required, no buying your own ticket greater than 12hrs out and still arriving 90 minutes early, no requirement to maintain awareness of forecast weather and other factors affecting travel and use prudent judgement to commute extra early (and sacrifice days off and bear added cost of lodging to commute in early). And you can reserve the jumpseat at AA.

Except for a certain NY CP pretty much doesn’t believe any of this.

JulesWinfield 10-11-2023 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Lifeson2112 (Post 3709414)
I’m assuming he means the jumpseat to get there on day 1 of reserve block around 1130AM or so.

Yeah, this. Just book the first day of your sequence in advance and proffer for a trip. That way, your bases are covered. After you get off probation, you can get more creative. If you fly earlier in the month, your credit will build and you will be less likely to be used, and you can sit at home and not worry about it later in the month. The APA app is pretty good about telling you where you are in the assignment queue and you can view the open time and assess your likelihood of being used.


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