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Easyflier301 12-12-2023 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by Scar09 (Post 3735519)
inside Netbenefits is the s&p500 index labeled something else? Not FXAIX? Only see 3 large cap index funds? Or is it in a total different spot in net benefits?

thanks for the info.

“US Large Cap Stock Index Fund” is the plan fund set up to track the S&P 500.

SoloPilot 12-13-2023 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3735267)
As mentioned the target date funds have a larger mix of assets which might be a positive but their fees are orders of magnitude higher than the index funds. For the younger pilots just starting who can expect to have $10M balances those fees will become absolutely egregious.

My personal preference is to use valuations to reduce stock exposure during bubbles but in any case the low cost index funds will outperform the target date funds.

Why are the target date funds the default option? Because they make more money for the administrator. Buy a yacht for yourself if you wish but don't buy one for finance folks.

Do you know the specific fee difference between the two, the target date fun fees vs their index funds at fidelity?

tallpilot 12-13-2023 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by SoloPilot (Post 3736163)
Do you know the specific fee difference between the two, the target date fun fees vs their index funds at fidelity?

.17 vs . 01. Sounds like nothing but the lost returns compound every year.

The next question is if you get anything for your money. The target date funds lag the S&P500 index by 50%. But that's ok if they protect you during drawdowns. Oops, they don't do that either because of the correlation between stock and bond fund returns.

In short, like most Wall Street innovations they don't do what they claim but they do generate more fees. Too lazy to watch your portfolio? Then buy some index funds and turn on automatic rebalancing.

But being too lazy to manage your money is just like being too lazy to bid. If you choose that route don't whine when it doesn't turn out like you hoped.

Biscoff 12-13-2023 05:41 PM

I do 50% US Large Cap Stk & 50% US Large Cap Growth . 30+ years before retirement, I refuse to pay a high expense ratio for a lower annual return (historically).

Sliceback 12-14-2023 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by GrossNavError (Post 3735156)
How do you do that? I don't know what I'm doing and don't want to bother with it.

A couple hours of reading and you'll be much smarter. It's about 3 hrs (?). Add another hour if you start flipping back and forth comparing different charts/timeframes in the book.

You can choose how often you evaluate your distribution. Some review/rebalance on a 6 or 12 month basis, some rebalance on a 5%/20% imbalance limit. The book explains this - younger might be 80/20 stock/bonds. If the 80/20 split reaches a 5% change (75/25 or 85/15) they rebalance. Within each stock/bond you'll have 7-12 (?) funds. If those get out of whack by 20% amongst their own group (ie stock funds vs other stock funds, bond funds vs bond funds) the high fund (up by 20%) is rebalanced among the lower than expected funds. The book/video explains the concept.

Plus a 1:03 video of the author speaking to Google employees who just became millionaires -

https://www.amazon.com/Smartest-Investment-Book-Youll-Ever/dp/0399535993/ref=pd_lpo_sccl_2/140-3762055-8667720?pd_rd_w=zCncx&content-id=amzn1.sym.116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_p=116f529c-aa4d-4763-b2b6-4d614ec7dc00&pf_rd_r=FASRAN7FW2KTQ0KGX0KZ&pd_rd_wg =PYsvM&pd_rd_r=4d974e06-3436-483b-9072-bf1e79bb9868&pd_rd_i=0399535993&psc=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0LSG2omvEg

Lifeson2112 12-21-2023 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3735546)
Yeah you have to buy/transfer to brokerage link (should be at bottom of list). You can do up to 95% IIRC. Then inside brokerage link you can buy FXAIX and setup for auto purchse. Careful with brokerage link it allows the purchase of any stock, I highly recommend you don't FOMO and just stick to SP500 solely in retirement account.

The other 5% in AA 401k base account I think I did target date or something or maybe small cap but it really doesn't matter.

If you run into problems call Fidelity they are really good.



Originally Posted by Easyflier301 (Post 3735916)
“US Large Cap Stock Index Fund” is the plan fund set up to track the S&P 500.

Do you guys know if there is a difference in fees or taxes etc between using the "US Large Cap Stock Index Fund" from Fidelity to follow the S&P for my 401k (from the same selection where it has the "Target Date" options) vs doing the above mentioned brokerage method and then buying FXAIX or maybe VOO ETF that way?

Thanks!

thrust 12-21-2023 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Lifeson2112 (Post 3739938)
Do you guys know if there is a difference in fees or taxes etc between using the "US Large Cap Stock Index Fund" from Fidelity to follow the S&P for my 401k (from the same selection where it has the "Target Date" options) vs doing the above mentioned brokerage method and then buying FXAIX or maybe VOO ETF that way?

Thanks!

You can look up all the fees on the fidelity website, or vanguard, or google, etc. Or call fidelity. They’re incredibly easy to work with and speak English as a first language.

AArdwolf 12-21-2023 09:13 AM

Is there a point where you should stop paying into your ROTH IRA, or does it always make sense to max it our no matter how much you make?

ClncClarence 12-21-2023 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by AArdwolf (Post 3740018)
Is there a point where you should stop paying into your ROTH IRA, or does it always make sense to max it our no matter how much you make?

Roth accounts make the most sense for very low and very high earners. With low income, you are paying very little or zero tax so the money is basically tax-free going in and out. At some point as income increases, traditional IRAs become non-deductible so they are taxed BOTH going in and out, basically giving you a normal brokerage account. If you are over the traditional income limit a Roth becomes the most tax-efficient method for withdrawal. Eventually you will hit the Roth income limit in which case you will need to ‘backdoor’ to get the tax benefit. In general high earners should be maxing their Roth IRA even as their income grows.

Note that the above is in reference to IRAs. The calculus for 401(k) is a little bit different but there are proper strategies for those allocations as well.

TLDR: Most of the time it’s best to max out the Roth, however sometimes prioritizing the traditional may make more sense, but the criteria may be subjective.

AllYourBaseAreB 12-21-2023 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by AArdwolf (Post 3740018)
Is there a point where you should stop paying into your ROTH IRA, or does it always make sense to max it our no matter how much you make?

its all just a guess on what future tax rates will be and what tax bucket you will be in in retirement. It is easier to pass along a ROTH to your heirs when you die though.


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