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Beech Dude 07-28-2024 09:22 AM

AA is not furloughing anyone; enough of this garbage.

Now, back to trip drop/trade hacks for the OP or other interested parties...

Werjower 07-28-2024 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3823731)
huh? It has never changed. If commute is not a factor and you have a choice of course you go to United or Delta. Are you kidding me?

I was referring to when APA was telling us to apply to Delta and every post on the line and facebook with grievances of everyday life was met with "just go to Delta"

CRJJ 07-28-2024 10:03 AM

I’ve never liked extremes, but another thing to consider is seniority progression. Wasn’t that our selling point over the other two?. I know the sky ain’t falling and everything is cyclical, but I’m sure 6-12 months of no classes while the other two have classes will equalize things quite a bit.
Still a great job/career? Absolutely. Living in base? Don’t look back, easy choice. But our management needs to put their sh*t together, yesterday.
At the same time I kinda appreciate if they’re being proactive with hiring freezes and letting retirements take care of the “issue”, rather than hire no matter what and then oh sorry gotta furlough.

Scar09 07-28-2024 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3823771)
I’ve never liked extremes, but another thing to consider is seniority progression. Wasn’t that our selling point over the other two?. I know the sky ain’t falling and everything is cyclical, but I’m sure 6-12 months of no classes while the other two have classes will equalize things quite a bit.
Still a great job/career? Absolutely. Living in base? Don’t look back, easy choice. But our management needs to put their sh*t together, yesterday.
At the same time I kinda appreciate if they’re being proactive with hiring freezes and letting retirements take care of the “issue”, rather than hire no matter what and then oh sorry gotta furlough.

agree. They might have some forethought to not hire to fire. Also, in the state of the airline Isom did address that we are still growing just currently at a slower rate than they had wanted expected due to capacity and lack of airframes being delievered.

ImSoSuss 07-28-2024 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3823771)
I’ve never liked extremes, but another thing to consider is seniority progression. Wasn’t that our selling point over the other two?. I know the sky ain’t falling and everything is cyclical, but I’m sure 6-12 months of no classes while the other two have classes will equalize things quite a bit.
Still a great job/career? Absolutely. Living in base? Don’t look back, easy choice. But our management needs to put their sh*t together, yesterday.
At the same time I kinda appreciate if they’re being proactive with hiring freezes and letting retirements take care of the “issue”, rather than hire no matter what and then oh sorry gotta furlough.

pardon my french but our retirements mean **** If we stopped hiring and aren't growing. Deltas and more specifically Uniteds growth cancels our retirements (hint, other airlines have retirements too). But that's cute tho. Retirements. Lolol

CRJJ 07-28-2024 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3823825)
pardon my french but our retirements mean **** If we stopped hiring and aren't growing. Deltas and more specifically Uniteds growth cancels our retirements (hint, other airlines have retirements too). But that's cute tho. Retirements. Lolol

Don’t go back to being a D, we are saying the same dude. Believe or not we are agreeing on things, don’t ruin it :rolleyes:

ImSoSuss 07-28-2024 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3823839)
Don’t go back to being a D, we are saying the same dude. Believe or not we are agreeing on things, don’t ruin it :rolleyes:

gotcha, all I saw was the "retirements " part . So sick of hearing about that while every other aspect of our operation is failing.

CRJJ 07-28-2024 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3823844)
gotcha, all I saw was the "retirements " part . So sick of hearing about that while every other aspect of our operation is failing.

I just have to agree, it is what it is. It’s more frustrating because of the potential we have, with our resources and size, I just don’t understand how much longer they think they can play this game, and the shareholders wtf. Other than paying off debt, what are we doing :confused:
TYS and ELP are our premium destinations :eek:

JulesWinfield 07-28-2024 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3823847)
I just have to agree, it is what it is. It’s more frustrating because of the potential we have, with our resources and size, I just don’t understand how much longer they think they can play this game, and the shareholders wtf. Other than paying off debt, what are we doing :confused:
TYS and ELP are our premium destinations :eek:

Yeah, I don't get it. It seems like companies are content with a CEO and riding a company into the dirt than replacing them. Spirit management just gave themselves bonuses after the amazing job they've done.

Sliceback 07-28-2024 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Happy2behere (Post 3823675)
Thank you for the helpful information about Family Leave & 3XP to view PBS Awards. Really good to know about likelihood of dropping turns & Transcons. Move to in-base isn’t an option in order to have support from in-laws to care for elementary age kids so the tips on dropping trips is very helpful.

That's when you can have the seniority to hold the senior trips that guys want. Late 2014 new hire, around 9000 seniority, dropped every trip he had in Dec/Jan. Top 10% of his bid status. At that relative seniority you can hold trips that people really want. When can you hold trips that people will trade for? That's a huge unknown. 20% relative seniority? 40%? 50%?

Look at the 3XP's and the N4D displays and see what guys at your seniority can hold AND what they traded into. It will give you a bit of an insight into what you might be able to do at the various bases/bid statuses. I'd do it for several months to see if what they do is very consistent or if you're looking a just a one off.

Good luck.


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