MSNBC Finally Gets One Correct
11-30-2011, 10:53 PM
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We are a divided nation. The 24hr circle of trust (media) did the job.
We still have racial problems,so this (msnbc, liberal, communist agenda) and (Fox News, conservative, bible thumping, in the closet, right wing agenda, help the rich get bonuses so I can hope for one) groups will last an eternity.
And we pilots, need to learn who we are and who do we identify with. Outside the world of ME.
We still have racial problems,so this (msnbc, liberal, communist agenda) and (Fox News, conservative, bible thumping, in the closet, right wing agenda, help the rich get bonuses so I can hope for one) groups will last an eternity.
And we pilots, need to learn who we are and who do we identify with. Outside the world of ME.
11-30-2011, 11:21 PM
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I think you are missing the point. Yes, workers got the shaft, so did lenders, stockholders, aircraft lease companies and a bunch of others.
Seeing things from a pilot point of view only tells a fraction of the story. The media, all media, twists the outcome to match their agenda.
But since Ed tells you to join the 99% and tax the oil companies more, go for it and see where that gets you.
The failure of AA and a whole lot of other companies is a tragedy in many ways, no need to compound it.
Seeing things from a pilot point of view only tells a fraction of the story. The media, all media, twists the outcome to match their agenda.
But since Ed tells you to join the 99% and tax the oil companies more, go for it and see where that gets you.
The failure of AA and a whole lot of other companies is a tragedy in many ways, no need to compound it.
11-30-2011, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
And some seem to think that the one and only alternative to Marxism (the Stalinist or Maoist flavors, at that) is an absolutely deregulated, unsupervised, supposedly free market that in reality has been gamed from the inside to reward the connected few at the top regardless of performance and irrespective of the carnage they leave behind.
It's rather uncanny how anytime someone points out the serious shortcomings in our current system, inevitably someone will declare them to be a Marxist.
It's rather uncanny how anytime someone points out the serious shortcomings in our current system, inevitably someone will declare them to be a Marxist.
Once you abandon the left/right claptrap you might see improvement. Neither side will ever deliver.
11-30-2011, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
Ships run aground, planes crash, and companies go broke. All the political chatter in the world won't change that and none of it is helpful. We would all be much better off if we didn't get quite so much help from the powers that be or would like to be, they aren't going to fix anything and they will make it worse.
Once you abandon the left/right claptrap you might see improvement. Neither side will ever deliver.
Once you abandon the left/right claptrap you might see improvement. Neither side will ever deliver.
Maybe someone is taking advantage of something if 100 file bankruptcy in that amount of time?
Maybe if it's not going to be 100% deregulated, this isn't working?
11-30-2011, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails
With 100 bankruptcies in the airlines since the 90s though, do you think maybe something isn't working right with the current system?
Maybe someone is taking advantage of something if 100 file bankruptcy in that amount of time?
Maybe if it's not going to be 100% deregulated, this isn't working?
Maybe someone is taking advantage of something if 100 file bankruptcy in that amount of time?
Maybe if it's not going to be 100% deregulated, this isn't working?
Bank failures, market failures, sovereign debt-all adverse effects of a troubled economy. Yes, there is a lot wrong with the current system and it clearly is not getting better.
These are all economic problems, ideology cannot and will not solve them.
12-01-2011, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
And what of the tens of thousands of other companies that have bit the dust over the same time frame?
Bank failures, market failures, sovereign debt-all adverse effects of a troubled economy. Yes, there is a lot wrong with the current system and it clearly is not getting better.
These are all economic problems, ideology cannot and will not solve them.
Bank failures, market failures, sovereign debt-all adverse effects of a troubled economy. Yes, there is a lot wrong with the current system and it clearly is not getting better.
These are all economic problems, ideology cannot and will not solve them.
I am just not a fan of half regulation done incorrectly which is what I think we have now.
12-01-2011, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by contrails
I don't disagree.
I am just not a fan of half regulation done incorrectly which is what I think we have now.
I am just not a fan of half regulation done incorrectly which is what I think we have now.
12-01-2011, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
I think you are missing the point. Yes, workers got the shaft, so did lenders, stockholders, aircraft lease companies and a bunch of others.
Seeing things from a pilot point of view only tells a fraction of the story. The media, all media, twists the outcome to match their agenda.
But since Ed tells you to join the 99% and tax the oil companies more, go for it and see where that gets you.
The failure of AA and a whole lot of other companies is a tragedy in many ways, no need to compound it.
Seeing things from a pilot point of view only tells a fraction of the story. The media, all media, twists the outcome to match their agenda.
But since Ed tells you to join the 99% and tax the oil companies more, go for it and see where that gets you.
The failure of AA and a whole lot of other companies is a tragedy in many ways, no need to compound it.
For some odd reason you want to tell us that the lending company will feel the same pain as the workers, which is totally false.
Just to put it in some percentage or number terms, if you have 1000 dollars and are asked to give 500 you will be giving 50% of what you have. Now if you have 1 billion and give 1 million your giving .01% .. you're comparing apples and oranges .. were talking about a whole different ball game from a workers perspective to company/corporations perspective.
The media of course twists the outcome to match their agenda, even these liberal channels do the same .. the fact is though that the right wing media is the opposite of what we pilots stand for.
12-01-2011, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by olympic
Why are you continuously trying to gain sympathy for the lenders, stockholders and aircraft lease companies?
For some odd reason you want to tell us that the lending company will feel the same pain as the workers, which is totally false.
Just to put it in some percentage or number terms, if you have 1000 dollars and are asked to give 500 you will be giving 50% of what you have. Now if you have 1 billion and give 1 million your giving .01% .. you're comparing apples and oranges .. were talking about a whole different ball game from a workers perspective to company/corporations perspective.
The media of course twists the outcome to match their agenda, even these liberal channels do the same .. the fact is though that the right wing media is the opposite of what we pilots stand for.
For some odd reason you want to tell us that the lending company will feel the same pain as the workers, which is totally false.
Just to put it in some percentage or number terms, if you have 1000 dollars and are asked to give 500 you will be giving 50% of what you have. Now if you have 1 billion and give 1 million your giving .01% .. you're comparing apples and oranges .. were talking about a whole different ball game from a workers perspective to company/corporations perspective.
The media of course twists the outcome to match their agenda, even these liberal channels do the same .. the fact is though that the right wing media is the opposite of what we pilots stand for.
If you buy into the left or right and say it is what pilots stand for, you are dead wrong. Pilots, like most of us, want a little stability and sanity. Neither side is offering any meaningful change in this regard.
An airline failure has many tragic consequences, but none of the left/right debate is going to fix this because they both lack fiscal and economic discipline.
12-01-2011, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
A pilot centric view for many of us is understandable, but you are missing the big picture.
If you buy into the left or right and say it is what pilots stand for, you are dead wrong. Pilots, like most of us, want a little stability and sanity. Neither side is offering any meaningful change in this regard.
An airline failure has many tragic consequences, but none of the left/right debate is going to fix this because they both lack fiscal and economic discipline.
If you buy into the left or right and say it is what pilots stand for, you are dead wrong. Pilots, like most of us, want a little stability and sanity. Neither side is offering any meaningful change in this regard.
An airline failure has many tragic consequences, but none of the left/right debate is going to fix this because they both lack fiscal and economic discipline.
If this administration wants to talk about change, here is their chance to show us that they actually care about workers rights and the 99%.
I am hoping for the best, and I honestly believe that the pilots of AA have a good case against the management of AMR.
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