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Old 01-25-2012, 01:16 PM
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No one is expecting the APA to fall on their swords. When's the last time they have ever led other than the b scale and their cowardly actions of 2003? Ya think possibly the APA was thinking of helping to put a few others into ch7/fragmentation by taking voluntary cuts? Karmas a ***** and paybacks are hell.


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You're working yourself into a needless lather. Most likely, AA's BK pilot contract will bs close to DAL's or UAL's. The worst it could be is already out there - US Airways.

Of course, it sounds as though you'd rather AA pilots fall on their swords to grease your wheels in the future.

Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass.
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Old 01-25-2012, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NERD View Post
No one is expecting the APA to fall on their swords. When's the last time they have ever led other than the b scale and their cowardly actions of 2003? Ya think possibly the APA was thinking of helping to put a few others into ch7/fragmentation by taking voluntary cuts? Karmas a ***** and paybacks are hell.


Sorry, can't believe the APA was twisting their moustaches in 2003. They were trying to save their pension (and they got screwed anyway).

Minimizing compensation loss and maximizing both pilot positions and future advancement potential are the goals. What others want or anything with "karma"......who cares ?

The B-scale was 30 years ago.
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Old 01-25-2012, 01:32 PM
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Old 01-25-2012, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
You're working yourself into a needless lather. Most likely, AA's BK pilot contract will bs close to DAL's or UAL's. The worst it could be is already out there - US Airways.

Of course, it sounds as though you'd rather AA pilots fall on their swords to grease your wheels in the future.

Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass.
Hi pot, meet kettle.

Seriously bud, nobody is wanting AA pilots to fall on their swords. Guys are just speculating on possible scenarios. Just because you don't like some of the possibilities, doesn't mean that others want bad things for you so good things can happen to them.

Also because, whether you want to hear it or not, the unsecured creditors have insignificant influence on the outcome of this thing. Been there, done that. So I don't think "falling on their sword" is even an option for AA's pilots. I guess you could offer to take 50% paycuts and a general gutting of your contract, and we could all start this cycle yet again. But as you already know, your pay and contract are the least of AMR's problems.
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Old 01-25-2012, 02:31 PM
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I think Alpa national has the copy rights to the moustaches, however don't kid yourself if your pilot group and leadership wasn't salivating over the demise of one or two of their competitors. Specifically UALs pacific ops and the 777s. It's yalls turn and you're not going to get a lot of true sympathy. If AA is fragmented(most likely vs ch7) it will benefit this career going forward for the surviving global players. It's just business.




[QUOTE=eaglefly;1122749]Sorry, can't believe the APA was twisting their moustaches in 2003. They were trying to save their pension (and they got screwed anyway).

Minimizing compensation loss and maximizing both pilot positions and future advancement potential are the goals. What others want or anything with "karma"......who cares ?

The B-scale was 30 years ago.[/QUOTE]
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Hi pot, meet kettle.

Seriously bud, nobody is wanting AA pilots to fall on their swords. Guys are just speculating on possible scenarios. Just because you don't like some of the possibilities, doesn't mean that others want bad things for you so good things can happen to them.

Also because, whether you want to hear it or not, the unsecured creditors have insignificant influence on the outcome of this thing. Been there, done that. So I don't think "falling on their sword" is even an option for AA's pilots. I guess you could offer to take 50% paycuts and a general gutting of your contract, and we could all start this cycle yet again. But as you already know, your pay and contract are the least of AMR's problems.
I have no problem with others promoting any scenario they want. I might disagree though.

Carry on as you see fit.
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Originally Posted by NERD View Post
I think Alpa national has the copy rights to the moustaches, however don't kid yourself if your pilot group and leadership wasn't salivating over the demise of one or two of their competitors. Specifically UALs pacific ops and the 777s. It's yalls turn and you're not going to get a lot of true sympathy. If AA is fragmented(most likely vs ch7) it will benefit this career going forward for the surviving global players. It's just business.
Yep, it's just business. What happens will happen. Likewise, if AMR is successful in reducing AA compensation to that of U and with their network stays independent and expand putting strong pressure on competitors, that will also be "just business".

This is after all, chapter 11 and not section 6. Since others are convinced AA pilots and the APA are essentially impotent and have ZERO say, there shouldn't be any blame if the result is another black eye to the profession.

See, we're just along for the ride, right ?
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
You're working yourself into a needless lather. Most likely, AA's BK pilot contract will bs close to DAL's or UAL's. The worst it could be is already out there - US Airways.

Of course, it sounds as though you'd rather AA pilots fall on their swords to grease your wheels in the future.

Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass.
I'd take a liquidation without so much as a handshake agreement for preferential interviews over a USAir style contract plus massive scope erosion. Its hardly falling on your sword to preseve your scope at all costs. If your company "survives" but can outsource as much narrowbody mainline flying as they want to B6 and regionals are flying hundreds of 51-100+ seat "RJs" do you really think you will have anything to come back to?
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I'd take a liquidation without so much as a handshake agreement for preferential interviews over a USAir style contract plus massive scope erosion. Its hardly falling on your sword to preseve your scope at all costs. If your company "survives" but can outsource as much narrowbody mainline flying as they want to B6 and regionals are flying hundreds of 51-100+ seat "RJs" do you really think you will have anything to come back to?
Your hypothetical choice is noted. Our choices differ though. I'd expect the majority here to choose something other then altruistic seppuku though. Sure, many (including myself) might then seek other opportunities (and on 2 weeks notice too), but liquidation isn't likely. AA might have a rapid pilot loss to contend with.

When that happens, it sounds like it's something you'll simply have to deal with.
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When that happens, it sounds like it's something you'll simply have to deal with.
When what happens? A desperate attempt to preserve a seniority list by gutting that very same list (especially the part with you on it) with a giant scope sale as well as making it one of, if not the, worst contracts in the industry to (maybe/maybe not) have the ability to one day come back to? And what's with the 2 weeks notice martyrdom?
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