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Old 04-22-2012, 06:14 PM
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with regards to Tomahawk, Eaglefly speaks for me
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
Tom........I think it's time you strapped in, buddy. You're an army of one and not on the side of any of the employees. Judging from tonights contributions by yourself alone, you've demonstrated evasion, irrelevancy, attempted confusion, misapplication and outright lying. I think you've been hanging around with a negative crowd, my man and have picked up a lot of bad habits.

I'm sorry you can't accept that the emperor has no clothes. It would seem the majority have finally figuered that out.
To close out the conversation, I just if the US folks would express similar sentiment about their current leadership, oh wait, they already do in the US forum!

I know, Doug will make everyone whole, now that he has the APA in his pocket!

A pleasant evening to all!
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudder1 View Post
with regards to Tomahawk, Eaglefly speaks for me
Indeed HE does!
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 View Post
So the fact that AA is attempting to do the same thing (achieve sustained profitability) through restructuring is lost on you an others?

Why then does the APA leadership say in their public statement that it's better to merge with US in BK unlike DAL or UAL?
Well, considering the last decade of this managements performance, I guess few have confidence in their claims, eh ?

Horton's going to merge AA into U as well. He just wants to do it after he exits so he (and others) can make beaucoup stock dollars and acquire massive wealth as the controller instead of the controlled. The difference for employees is HUGE depending on who they negotiate with. Horton isn't negotiating, so what's a girl to do ?

How much do YOU stand to make on those stock deals there, Tom ?
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:21 PM
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Well, considering the last decade of this managements performance, I guess few have confidence in their claims, eh ?

Horton's going to merge AA into U as well. He just wants to do it after he exits so he (and others) can make beaucoup stock dollars and acquire massive wealth as the controller instead of the controlled. The difference for employees is HUGE depending on who they negotiate with. Horton isn't negotiating, so what's a girl to do ?

How much do YOU stand to make on those stock deals there, Tom ?
I guess two trip through BK have given you a higher degree of confidence in the US team. This new proposed calculus is quite interesting!

You always resort to attacks..true to form!
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 View Post
Indeed HE does!
Opinions on this forum on AMR/U or Parker and Horton matter little in the true conflict. What matters is what's occuring outside in the real world. In the real world, Parker has arrived, he's been met with open arms, concessionary contracts and all and that is a powerful message to investors and creditors about hedging their bets (and their investment assets) in the future. Probably not much of a message to AMR, but isn't that why the real world looks like it does today ?

AMR goes to court tomorrow to begin 'Bloody Monday', so I'm sure tomorrow evening will have more to discuss...............
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 View Post
I guess two trip through BK have given you a higher degree of confidence in the US team. This new proposed calculus is quite interesting!

You always resort to attacks..true to form!
Attack ?

You mean like your outright lying about statments made by me here ?

How typical.
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Old 04-22-2012, 06:42 PM
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Not without court approval!
thats easily done. both companies are amr owned. Reason to judge -to reduce costs.
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thats easily done. both companies are amr owned. Reason to judge -to reduce costs.
Well, if it would have reduced costs, wouldn't AMR have proposed this by now ?

I mean, being savvy businessmen with huge amounts of money going to multiple "advisors" scouring every orifice for savings for the last 4.5 months, you'd think they'd have identified this necessary requirement by now. For them to do that now would be an indication it isn't a money saving action at all, but instead a self-serving counter move to another's advances. I'm sure highlighting that action as a facade would be the re-counter by Parker and the AA unions.

Of course if that was done and it did succeed, once the threat is over (chapter 11 exit), I'm sure it would be suddenly determined to ............well, not "work" anymore and then promptly be undone.
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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 View Post
To close out the conversation, I just if the US folks would express similar sentiment about their current leadership, oh wait, they already do in the US forum!

I know, Doug will make everyone whole, now that he has the APA in his pocket!

A pleasant evening to all!
I think many would love to have a more positive perception of the current leadership, but what have we got to go on ?

Horton's first act was to install the masthead for everything that WAS wrong prior to his duties as CEO and make him the last thing employees saw when he ran over them with a term sheet that was draconian. A horrid introduction, if you ask me.

Since then, the new "team" has refused to negotiate with ANY of the unions (let alone negotiate in "good faith") and thus what conclusion does one come to about that ?

The conclusion ?

Seeking comfort elsewhere like a neglected wife willing to hop in the sack with the first flower-bearing lothario that comes along. The U/Parker situation was inevitable.

It appears you think AA labor should instead adopt the 'battered wife' philosophy and keep running back to their abuser, expecting them to change their ways and that's just not realistic.

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