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Tomahawk58 05-09-2012 08:57 AM

The even greater irony or maybe it's hypocrisy is the willingness to accept Mr Parker at face value for his public statements even when his own house is divided, while deriding Mr Horton and his new team who's only been in the top job less then 6 months.

So compare the positions stated with the tenure. Tell us publicly why Mr Parker didn't offer his own team DAL rates 7 years ago? He's certainly been content to take the windfall resulting from the lack of combined contracts at US. Just what are the current pay rate differences between the West and East guys?

But many of you see him as the future savior of AA.....I'm not buying the hype.

eaglefly 05-09-2012 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1184901)
Oh wait, haven't you just described Mr Parker's position. He states publicly that he sees another 1.5-2.0 Billion in cost-savings and revenue increase all the while guaranteeing no furloughs, DAL-Plus payrates, putting a pony in every stable, etc.

Not many here taking him to task for his statement other than myself and a couple of other folks.....Hmmmmm!

Perhaps it's harder to take someone to task if they haven't already stiffed you.....................repeatedly ? :rolleyes:

eaglefly 05-09-2012 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1184908)
The even greater irony or maybe it's hypocrisy is the willingness to accept Mr Parker at face value for his public statements even when his own house is divided, while deriding Mr Horton and his new team who's only been in the top job less then 6 months.

New team ?

Brundage insinuates he's still apparently behind the scenes as puppet-master and Lorenzo's $1000/hour former attorney is front and center, embraced warmingly by Mr. Horton.

What more do you think most of us need to see or hear ?


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1184908)
So compare the positions stated with the tenure. Tell us publicly why Mr Parker didn't offer his own team DAL rates 7 years ago? He's certainly been content to take the windfall resulting from theh lack of combined contracts at US. Just what are the current pay rate differences between the West and East guys?

But many of you see him as the future savior of AA.....I'm not buying the hype.

Perhaps one reason you're not buying it is because you refuse to look in the right direction ?

Pay rates and combined pilots aside, the question should be which positions have generated profits and effectively run a competing company within their tenure ? :eek:

Not a pretty place to look I know, but we're talking about the future. Combine that reality with our slow, but steady death via the 1113 and I think then you can see why it's presently a no-brainer for the overwhelming majority of AA pilots.

Tomahawk58 05-09-2012 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1184919)
New team ?

Brundage insinuates he's still apparently behind the scenes as puppet-master and Lorenzo's $1000/hour former attorney is front and center, embraced warmingly by Mr. Horton.

What more do you think most of us need to see or hear ?



Perhaps one reason you're not buying it is because you refuse to look in the right direction ?

Pay rates and combined pilots aside, the question should be which positions have generated profits and effectively run a competing company within their tenure ? :eek:

Not a pretty place to look I know, but we're talking about the future. Combine that reality with our slow, but steady death via the 1113 and I think then you can see why it's presently a no-brainer for the overwhelming majority of AA pilots.

You're right of course, it's not hype if it's coming from Mr Parker. All will be well.

beeker 05-09-2012 09:31 AM

Just an outside commentator, I don't know anything about what Mr. Parker has said. I was just making a comment about a statement with no plan behind it. I would be happy to do the same with Mr. parkers comments as well.

beeker 05-10-2012 01:59 PM

But If your asking me if I would rather go with parkers hype or hortons hype, I would go with parker. Both have no plan but at least the pay/benefit cut wouldn't be as bad with parker( as they are promoting.)

tsquare 05-10-2012 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by beeker (Post 1184890)
Why stop at a billion? Wouldn't a press release, "AMR wants to increase revenue by two Billion" be a better bigger positive headline for management? How about, "AMR wants to increase revenue by 1 billion and give a pony to every passenger and employee." Now that would be a good press release.

"AMR wants to increase revenue by 1 billion, switch all energy use to clean alternative power, end world hunger, create world peace and get every man woman and child a pony." That is what I would "want" to do as CEO of AMR, vote for me.

Exactly. My question is where internationally they think they can wrangle even a billion in revenue increase.

-Europe in the toilet...
-South America? They already own that, so I doubt if they can get enough of an increase to make up for Europe..
-Zero presence in Africa.. (come on in boys... the water's fine. oh, and UAL is pulling out of some of those markets...)..
-Asia? I think their relationship with JAL would put the clamps on that..
-Antarctica?

Mink 05-12-2012 07:36 AM

Slight hiccup in their "raise a billion..." efforts:

American Airlines to cut June flights because of pilot shortages | Dallas-Fort Worth Airlines News - Business News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News

aa73 05-12-2012 10:02 AM

but hey, let's go ahead and furlough 400 pilots. Genius!

Tomahawk58 05-12-2012 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1186855)
but hey, let's go ahead and furlough 400 pilots. Genius!

I understand US has a managed pilot sick program. Let see how that work out for the 9 percent that choose today to screw the company and their fellow pilots, when we're operating under that US system. I know, suddenly everyone will miraculously recover.

Actually, that would be good thing if we get folks back to being professionals that support the company cutting their paycheck.


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