American, unions to begin mediation talks
 

American Airlines, unions, to begin mediation on labor fight this week | LeveragedLoan.com

American’s CEO Tom Horton sent memo to employees on Wednesday, saying he believes the mediation sessions will be “constructive.”

Negotiations to be overseen by Bankruptcy Court Judge James Peck.

more....


American Airlines, unions, to begin mediation on labor fight this week | LeveragedLoan.com

Apparently the APFA (flight attendants) spent Thursday and Friday in mediated talks and they ended yesterday without an agreement. APA to begin Monday, but I'm not optimistic.

Yep, here is the article:

American Air, Flight Attendants Fail to Reach Contract Agreement - Bloomberg

I doubt there will be an APA agreement either. Horton can't make any offers close to what Parker has promised.

Horton can't make any commitments being in BK court and a promise from Parker is nothing.

Agreed, but APA is more eager to risk their future on Parker's promises as opposed to Horton's reality. I cant blame them, since they have a duty of fair representation to their members. It wouldnt be prudent to turn away someone offering DAL+ contracts when Horton is trying to gut them.

For the record I dont see how Parker can financially support the promises he makes, but that's not for me to worry about.

Yea, APA needs to vet Parker and his bag of proposed tricks. Parker is a bottom feeder and runs a very troubled company. You know the stock ticker is LCC, low cost carrier! Thats a fact.

To which members ?

FF
Ex-TWA

Only the inbreds.

I guess if you're at USAirways you can borrow some of the lapel pins that circulated at AA right after they bought us.

I WAS HIRED, not ACQUIRED.

Charming.

Are you continually making things up?

There have never been lapel pins Hired not Aquired.

Of the 2,400 TWA pilots 900-1,000 kept their captain seats until they retired or are still in them.

More than 835 TWA CA's went senior to me, and stayed Captain until they retired or are still in their Captain seats.

You continually harp about 1 guy called TWA pilots Kmart pilots once. Yes, it was an insult and he was an idiot.

You're not even flying for AA, you were offered recall. Look if you're not working here, then shut your pie hole.

7576

Reminds me of the "80-80-80" flap about Eagle years ago. Aside from the fact AMR would laugh at Eagle ALPA for proposing something so ridiculous at the time, it was a concoction of about 5-10 pilots who made that up. Certain people with excess baggage and a grudge will toss anything into their stew in an attempt to improve its palatability.

Nothing new here, just a different chef. Virtually all the diners have left anyway. :cool:

Stop slamming Eagle, most guys at Eagle dont want AA planes, we just want things to start moving so we can all have a career and get out of Eagle. There are a select few, the guys that got hired with you, that are stuck here still, old, and want 90 seat planes to feel cool before they retire, they are a small minority. Most eagle guys are backing AA guys, and your battle.

(Hope you don't mind me re-arranging, to get points across easier).

1. I have the agreement in front of me, and this is absolutely laughable. Have you read it? "Duty of fair representation"...and they cannot even vote it down? Are you kidding?

2. DAL+ contracts...sorry, this will NOT happen, at least not for the first 6 years...and then, guess what, we'll be negotiating again...How long do you think it'll take?

3. For the record, IF you have read this document, it's easy to understand why Parker will be able to financially support the "promises" he made...Because the pilots will be paying for it all...yup, we want something, we have to give something else up...Cost consessions...


APA pilots do not have to vote on this agreement, did you know that? Well, they'll be voting, all right, but if they turn down the agreement with Parker, the agreement already calls for BINDING ARBITRATION...and already have the lead arbritrator name on the agreement. And guess what? The agreement already calls for a super fast arbritration: 60-90 days...So just don't even bother to vote! This is a done deal!

(The same 19 page agrement calls for this super fast arbitration numerous times throughout this document, having the same arbritrator named every time).

I was totally amazed that APA would have signed such an agreement, it would be better to let the judge break the contracts! Don't be fooled by the $172/group II pay that Parker is promising. (BTW, Parker and his team showed up in CLT for a USAPA meeting, and was all ga-ga over the $172 for group II capt. When they didn't get the standing ovation they expected/wanted, they were wondering why? They were told..."well, 172/hr is good, however, it's all in the details"...And these details are eye opening!)

BTW, hearing from APA pilots first hand that they know they're about to get royally screwed, and there is already talk about dumping APA and switching unions to ALPA, Teamsters etc. so as to be able to re-open this contract. When one hear this even before the ink is dry on the document, one has to ask...hmmm.

If this agreement stands, which I believe it will, we'll be taking pay, and/or benefit cuts within six (6) months of the merger...yup, sometime by next summer! We can keep our 172/hr for grp II capt., but we gotta give something else. Vacation, per diem, sick time, retirement, and medical benefit are some items to start thinking about. What would you like to give up to keep 172/hr?

The only way for this NOT to happen, is for Parker to agree to modify some of the language. USAPA negotiating committee is involved at this point, and the East has Change of Control language that might/should give us some leverage. I'd personally like to get the West's rigs, I want to work less, not more!

Remember one thing, there is one person that want this agreement more than most pilots: Doug Parker!

He didn't slam Eagle. He was comparing the "hired, not acquired", to "80-80-80". If you don't know what 80-80-80 was, find a friendly "old" guy Captain, and ask them about it.

For the record,I never once saw an "80-80-80" sticker or pin, and never heard anyone push it as a good idea during my Eagle days. Nor have I ever seen a "hired not acquired" pin or sticker at AA.

Its because 1% of the pilots wanted that, some guys are stuck here and get jollies at the idea of still feeling like mainline pilots. Most of us want to get out and be at AA or another airline that owns their flying. Eagle is not out to get AA, I wish guys would not think that. We just fly what we are given, and hope we dont have to furlough or give up our already low QOL.

It was anything BUT slamming Eagle, but she's a highly emotional person prone to flying off the handle. This post is all the more ironic in that she's posted here advocating retaliation against other pilots at Eagle for exercising contractual rights fought for and that soon may disappear (aside from advocating other illegal job actions elsewhere) and if anything, THAT is "slamming" Eagle pilots.

I never saw an "80-80-80" badge/sticker, but talked to those who did and as I said, what 10 pilots do out of thousands, isn't a blanket position. Have never even heard of the "hired, not acquired" badge/sticker here until this recent post.

Please do us at AA a BIG favor and DO NOT come to this airline. I can confidently say based on your posts, you're NOT the type of person we need. :cool:

I'm guessing Eagle doesn't want that type either.

agreed +++1

If Wingtips is a hottie I bet most of you would love to have her in your right seat and would chase her around on your long overnight buying her dinner and wanting to "hang out"

i hope that AA is not all talk come the end of this month, I have a bad feeling that this is all talk, and they will get the crap contract and still all show up.

Any update on the progress of this weeks APA/AMR meetings? No one yet has given any idea of how that's going.

Comm blackout to let the process complete itself. Generally, the less contentious issues are usually addressed first and the final dogfighting is over the BIG ones.

Progress? Maybe. Talks to continue into next week

Pilots report progress in mediated talks with American Airlines management | Airline Biz Blog

Talks with TWU represented mechanics collapse, thus that leaves 2 of 3 critical labor groups (mechanics, F/A's) that will likely be subject to contract abrogation June 22. Pessimism meter is pegged in the red. :cool:

The pessimism continues. AMR and the APA have apparently failed to produce a TA. AMR has given the APA their "best and final offer" and that has been taken to the BOD for evaluation on whether it is worthy of presenting to the membership for their consideration and vote.

May have more info by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week, but tidbits usually trickle out early on these things. This doesn't sound like the recipe for success though.

If the APA BOD decides to put the 'last and best offer' out for a vote, then does that delay the June 22 date for the judge to rule on the 1113 process?

Fail .....

In my opinion, it would be a huge mistake to put the "last and best offer" out for a vote. If it is ratified, you live with it for a long, long time. If you don't and the judge abrogates your existing contract, it's the "last and best offer" which would be implemented anyways. Then you still have some leverage to improve it when you exit bankruptcy.

AMR will come the night before with an 11th hour deal if this is not put to vote.

They know that they will be running over the beehive with a lawn mower if the contract is tossed. I honestly think its very possible Lane might not throw it out, and this puts them into another 6 months of talks. This puts all new regional feed and planes on hold, will put the Brazilian bank through the roof, put AMR is a god awful spot since they just sent back 40 ATRs and are so short on airplanes at Eagle its not even funny, not to mention the CHQ contract ends in March for 15 more planes.

AMR NEEDS to get this done now, 6 more months of this crud means a USAIR deal gets more traction than ever. If I were APA I would let it the clock run down to the last second, AMR needs this all solved esp the pilots more than the pilots need a deal. They are fighting USAIR and 6 more months of trying to toss the contracts, or the pilots going out to lunch permanently both will force the merger by Sept 1st.