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Old 07-02-2012, 04:57 PM
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Oh I see where you got $138, that was the original pay but we got a raise when the contract became amendable in 2006. Still stuck on that deal thanks to our east brothers.
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Old 07-02-2012, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville View Post

My feeling is that US Airways is your best option. If AMR manages to fight them off, you guys will have to live under this horrible contract, or worse, no contract at all.


Good Luck!
I second that good luck....hate to say it, but if USAir is their best option, there is a lot more to worry about than a horrible contract. A contract has an expiration date, a marriage like that is forever....btw, not sure what time frame you were looking for but the DL 737-800 end rate (2015) I think is around $216...
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Old 07-02-2012, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Seaslap8 View Post
I second that good luck....hate to say it, but if USAir is their best option, there is a lot more to worry about than a horrible contract. A contract has an expiration date, a marriage like that is forever....btw, not sure what time frame you were looking for but the DL 737-800 end rate (2015) I think is around $216...
At a second glance, your right...my bad. Almost $217 an hour. Not too shabby.
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville View Post
I just ran some quick numbers, so correct me if errors are found.

12 - Year Captain (737-800 or A-320, whichever fleet number is greater)

Delta $210 (New contract)
Continental $150 (Current contract)
United $137 (Current contract)
America West $138 (Current contract)
US Airways $125 (Current contract)

Total = $760 / 5 = $152

American $174.46 (New contract) resets to $152 or a 13% paycut.

That paycut then is applied across all categories of hourly pay.

I would, however, assume that United and Continental will have a new contract that would diminish the paycut. With that said, even if United matches Delta 737-800 12-year Captain pay, it would still result in a small paycut across the board for AA.
FWIW...S-CAL 737 rates (NG)- 170.00 737-500 - 150.00 ( only 24 left, set to retire by EOY) and be replaced with NG
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:50 PM
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With the new PWA, DAL 737 12year CA is $188 not $204.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Slammer View Post
FWIW...S-CAL 737 rates (NG)- 170.00 737-500 - 150.00 ( only 24 left, set to retire by EOY) and be replaced with NG
Looks like an APC update is needed.
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Originally Posted by Columbia View Post
With the new PWA, DAL 737 12year CA is $188 not $204.
Alright...so what is it in 36 months?
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:33 AM
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I just ran some quick numbers, so correct me if errors are found.

12 - Year Captain (737-800 or A-320, whichever fleet number is greater)

Delta $217 (New contract)
Continental $170 (Current contract)
United $137 (Current contract)
America West $144 (Current contract)
US Airways $125 (Current contract)

Total = $793 / 5 = $158 AVERAGE

American DOS + 36 months = $174.46 (New contract)

This average is still below where American will be at that time. Which, as I have discovered in this thread, will not trigger a paycut but it will result in a 2% payraise instead.
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:21 AM
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Updated to show a possible scenario.

Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville View Post
12 - Year Captain (737-800 or A-320, whichever fleet number is greater)

Delta $217 (New contract)
United $223 (a pattern up of 3% over DAL, hopefully more!)
America West $144 (Current contract)
US Airways $125 (Current contract)

Total = $ 709 / 4 = $177 AVERAGE

American DOS + 36 months = $174.46 (New contract)

Here's to hoping that UCAL can ladder up the industry before 2016! I have to be honest, I don't see LCC fixing their issues ever without a merger. Thanks for NOTHING USAPA!
The more challenging part is the horrible band of the 319/737-700!!!

I think that is essentially AMR shoving a 3 year B-scale down your throat. I would hope that the "Industry Comparable Rate" would be the 320/737-800 rate like the rest of the comparable industry uses!
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:33 AM
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You guys are missing the point of this contract, it's a temporary necessity to keep your claim alive and it gives 13.5% of the company. This deal is not designed to do anything else than to get amr ready for the merger.
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