AA TA - Industry Rate Comparables (DOS+36)
I just ran some quick numbers, so correct me if errors are found.
12 - Year Captain (737-800 or A-320, whichever fleet number is greater) Delta $210 (New contract) Continental $150 (Current contract) United $137 (Current contract) America West $138 (Current contract) US Airways $125 (Current contract) Total = $760 / 5 = $152 American $174.46 (New contract) resets to $152 or a 13% paycut. That paycut then is applied across all categories of hourly pay. I would, however, assume that United and Continental will have a new contract that would diminish the paycut. With that said, even if United matches Delta 737-800 12-year Captain pay, it would still result in a small paycut across the board for AA. |
I have to plead ignorance on this one. Did AA have that as the calculation for their pay in their new TA? If you're just making a hypothetical calculation... I would argue that Southwest, Alaska, and jetBlue should also be included, as well as FedEx and UPS.
Additionally, there is potential for CO/UA and HP/US to have new contracts by the end of 2015, hopefully with significant pay raises. |
Originally Posted by lolwut
(Post 1223288)
I have to plead ignorance on this one. Did AA have that as the calculation for their pay in their new TA? If you're just making a hypothetical calculation... I would argue that Southwest, Alaska, and jetBlue should also be included, as well as FedEx and UPS.
Additionally, there is potential for CO/UA and HP/US to have new contracts by the end of 2015, hopefully with significant pay raises. As the APA has explained, this agreement would limit their down-side risk exposure. I would tend to agree. At least AMR could not void their current contract through bankruptcy and it still leaves the door open for a US Airways, AMR tie-up which I think would be a better contract and most certainly, a stronger company. |
Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
(Post 1223275)
I just ran some quick numbers, so correct me if errors are found.
12 - Year Captain (737-800 or A-320, whichever fleet number is greater) Delta $210 (New contract) Continental $150 (Current contract) United $137 (Current contract) America West $138 (Current contract) US Airways $125 (Current contract) Total = $760 / 5 = $152 American $174.46 (New contract) resets to $152 or a 13% paycut. That paycut then is applied across all categories of hourly pay. I would, however, assume that United and Continental will have a new contract that would diminish the paycut. With that said, even if United matches Delta 737-800 12-year Captain pay, it would still result in a small paycut across the board for AA. |
Originally Posted by 80drvr
(Post 1223324)
It's the greater of 2% or the industry avg adjustment at dos + 36.
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
(Post 1223297)
.......At least AMR could not void their current contract through bankruptcy.......
Many of the so-called "improvements" in the TA have a "wiggle exit" for AMR, due to either ambiguous language or flat-out statements like the above. Caveat Emptor. |
It should be no surprise that it is not a good contract. I can not think of any aviation labor group in recent history who has come out of bankruptcy with a status quo contract or made contractual gains. This situation is no different.
My feeling is that US Airways is your best option. If AMR manages to fight them off, you guys will have to live under this horrible contract, or worse, no contract at all. If US Airways is successful, the NEW American will be stronger, more stable, and provide for more economic gains for the pilot group in the future. I do not envy the postiion that the American pilot group is in and the tough choices that must be made. Good Luck! |
America west is at $144
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
(Post 1223458)
America west is at $144
The 12-year Captain rate on the 737 / A-320 for America West is $138 according to this: Airline Pilot Central - US Airways | Legacy Maybe you need to make an update. |
Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
(Post 1223465)
The 12-year Captain rate on the 737 / A-320 for America West is $138 according to this:
Airline Pilot Central - US Airways | Legacy Maybe you need to make an update. |
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