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B757200ER 08-15-2012 07:46 AM

Scalawag!
 

Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1244905)
Cool, we would get to pull gear for General Lee!!

AHEM. Are you making light of the Glorious leader of the Conferederacy, young-un?:mad::cool:

jaykris 08-15-2012 02:22 PM

Vampires........just like vampires. Of course Delta will do the right thing and take the pilots...........yeah right.

J

Erdude32 08-15-2012 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by jaykris (Post 1246201)
Vampires........just like vampires. Of course Delta will do the right thing and take the pilots...........yeah right.

J


Why wouldn't we take the Pilots? Of course we'll take them, but sense they are coming from a BK company about to go under....we'll give'em the same deal THEY gave to TWA:eek:

Enterprise 08-15-2012 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1246270)
Why wouldn't we take the Pilots? Of course we'll take them, but sense they are coming from a BK company about to go under....we'll give'em the same deal THEY gave to TWA:eek:

Do you even KNOW what that was?

So AA, a company with 6 BILLION in the bank, and making money with no employee contractual changes (yet) is "about to go under"?

Go back to your own board.

What 08-15-2012 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1246270)
Why wouldn't we take the Pilots? Of course we'll take them, but sense they are coming from a BK company about to go under....we'll give'em the same deal THEY gave to TWA:eek:

AMR has almost as much cash as Delta and I haven't seen an update on debt but one must assume it has been reduced considerably! How is AMR going under again, leading the industry in revenue gains and profitable over the last few month? Yea, I know they control the numbers and this bankruptcy is a sham, but AMR is not anywhere near close to go under.

Vortexxx 08-15-2012 05:43 PM

Enterprise,
All true today or is it? AMR now cooking the books for a strong balance sheet for a possible purchase in the near future? What will the numbers look like when labor wants to "burn the FAAker down" after the 1113 is passed? You nor anybody else on the outside knows the real financial health of ARM.

Did that last post strike a nerve about a staple job? Maybe he should have address the AA pilots as Kmart rejects! Karma, just saying.

Sniper 08-16-2012 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 1244972)
The DOT only cares about slot restricted markets, and in particular NYC. The only carrier AA could realistically merge with that might require a small divestiture of slots would be jetblue.

The BTS data shows JFK and LGA major players are, in order:
  1. Jet Blue (5.16m passengers, 21.83% of the market)
  2. Delta (4.99m/21.12%)
  3. American (3.89m/16.47%)
  4. American Eagle (893.13k/3.78%)

Delta (not including their connection flying) is the second largest player in LGA/JFK (by a fraction of a percentage point), and, with the recent US Airways DCA/LGA slot swap, has consolidated their position in LGA. Delta has the most valuable slot portfolio of US carriers, and second only to BA in the world (most/all those Delta Connection RJ's are slot holders for Delta in JFK, LGA, and DCA), and then there's the slots in HND and NRT, plus all the atlantic Pan Am legacy route authorities.

UniCal carried more international passengers than any other US airline, controls over 60% the passengers in EWR, and is one of 3 major players in the trans-atlantic LHR market - slots so valuable that AA aquired TWA to get them.

AA is the only airlines that hubs out of the top 4 most populous metro areas in the US and has all their hubs in the top 10 metro areas (NYC, LA, Chicago and Dallas - Miami is #8), is the #4 domestic airline and the #2 international airline in the US (by passenger emplanements) and is the sole US airline to hub out of the US's busiest airport by international passenger #'s . . . MIA (yes, MIA).

You can be assured, JetBlue will not be the only dance partner with AA who would have to give up assets. AA is a great airline all on its own - it doesn't need to merge with anyone.

tsquare 08-16-2012 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by Enterprise (Post 1246280)
Do you even KNOW what that was?

So AA, a company with 6 BILLION in the bank, and making money with no employee contractual changes (yet) is "about to go under"?

Go back to your own board.

Not taking sides here, but having a lot of cash in the bank when one is bankrupt is not necessarily a good thing. Enter one Carl Ichan type raider, and he could structure the deal to buy you with your own cash. You'd better hope that Horton's stand alone plan works, or that a benevolent partner emerges. (Parker?) A hostile takeover does not bode well for hourly wage earners.

nwa757 08-17-2012 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1246270)
Why wouldn't we take the Pilots? Of course we'll take them, but sense they are coming from a BK company about to go under....we'll give'em the same deal THEY gave to TWA:eek:

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/bbb/e89...1325569002.jpg

nwa757 08-17-2012 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1246296)
AMR has almost as much cash as Delta and I haven't seen an update on debt but one must assume it has been reduced considerably! How is AMR going under again, leading the industry in revenue gains and profitable over the last few month? Yea, I know they control the numbers and this bankruptcy is a sham, but AMR is not anywhere near close to go under.

TWA pilots might not have that same viewpoint.

http://www.nakedpastor.com/wp-conten.../highhorse.jpg


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