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Timbo 09-27-2012 04:24 AM

How much of Crandall's Retirement Money was flushed in the Bankruptcy?

Is he still drawing any money from AA??

Perhaps if some of his money went down the toilet too, he might have a different perspective?

But, what did you expect a life long CEO to say?

It's ALWAYS Labor's Fault.

Always.

Managment is always right!

Now....get back to WORK!

eaglefly 09-27-2012 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1267206)
How much of Crandall's Retirement Money was flushed in the Bankruptcy?

Is he still drawing any money from AA??

Perhaps if some of his money went down the toilet too, he might have a different perspective?

But, what did you expect a life long CEO to say?

It's ALWAYS Labor's Fault.

Always.

Managment is always right!

Now....get back to WORK!

Crandall's letter has had no impact on the situation and is already forgotton. :cool:

hockeypilot44 09-27-2012 07:31 AM

Crandall brought the B scale. That was the beginning of the downfall of our profession.

boog123 09-27-2012 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1267312)
Crandall brought the B scale. That was the beginning of the downfall of our profession.

No, the beginning was pilots accepting the b scale.

Sliceback 09-27-2012 07:49 AM

"Well, I'll give him credit for one thing. At least his letter attempts to bring everyone into the fold."


That's too funny. Crandall as the Great Peace Maker.

B757200ER 09-27-2012 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1267316)
No, the beginning was pilots accepting the b scale.

Agree 100%.

Night Hawk 6 09-27-2012 10:13 AM

Actually Crandall wasn't all that original with his B-scale. It was the UAL pilots that agreed with their CEO Farris to cut pay and benefits for new hires with the understanding Farris would buy new airplanes and grow the airline, more than a year before Crandall came along.. Farris failed to do as he said and UAL paid for it with the strike in 1985. So you see Crandall was not such an inovator and is by no means the airline genious so many, led by himself, think him to be and if you look further you will find that the management teams that have destroyed AA learned at Crandall's knee. Yes, even though to many it is sacriledge, the demise of American Airlines began with Robert L. Crandall.

tomgoodman 09-27-2012 10:48 AM

For those who weren't around during the Crandall era, this article from 20 years ago may be interesting:

The Airline Mess - Businessweek

Bucking Bar 09-27-2012 10:53 AM

Appreciate a lot of your posts Tom, and thank you for your reminder about Crandall. Apparently he has forgotten:


To hear Crandall tell it, he is the most misunderstood man in Corporate America. "We are more victims than villains," he says. Victims of carriers in Chapter 11, such as Continental Airlines Inc. and Trans World Airlines Inc., that have used their bankruptcy status to lower costs unfairly.
Circumstances have changed, but in Crandall's world management is always the victim. I do not agree.

At American the Company had billions and has operationally earned many more millions while in bankruptcy. Who's the real villain? Billionaire entities which will not pay their bills, or the employees who worked for their earnings, but who are not not getting paid?

aa73 09-27-2012 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1267316)
No, the beginning was pilots accepting the b scale.

I'll see that B-scale and raise you one "Blue Skies" contract.

Crandall's desire to impose B-scales was in direct response to UAL Pilots signing their Blue Skies contract almost a year earlier - THE most concessionary contract ever to have hit the airline pilot profession to date.

Agreed about APA accepting B-scales - it eroded the profession that much further.

Edit: Night Hawk 6, just saw your post - spot on.


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