7576 is correct. Future 401(k) contributions of any kind are "TBD" (To Be Determined). Despite the 1113 having a specific claimed 401(k) conversion, it would appear AA pilots are being "sent to bed without dinner" for misbehaving and not capitulating to a grotesquely sub-standard offer.

Feel free to slither back under your rock.

The first time you slithered out from under your rock, there was a contract offer imminent and subject to debate. Then when that was no longer an issue you disappeared. Now, once again within weeks (or perhaps even days) of that happening again.......guess who's back.

You have clearly been dispatched by your handlers for duty again Mr. M and your duplicity is more then obvious. :cool:

Quit acting like a baby because we can easily tell you are a LIAR. And what's with the rash of your little lying cronies showing up here lately?

As if we couldn't tell. :rolleyes:

Go back to your desk job and keep blaming the real pilots because that's what you cling to.

OK T58, tell us how much we'll be getting eff. Nov 1st????

The fact is the answer is "uh.., uh.., uh...", which is exactly the point of this thread.

I've worked for AMR for 13 yrs and learned long ago that anything not in black and white restrictive language is meaningless to them. The words "may," "best efforts;" and my personal favorites "at the companies discretion" are meaningless and a waste of trees, ink, and negotiating time.

In this case "TBD" are worth as much.

Waiting for and counting on AMR's benevolence is nothing but foolhardy.

If by "reasonable" you actually mean "yes men" who literally aid management in their shell game negotiation tactics- yes, there is no point in posting here. Too many people have lived through too many bankruptcies to fall for the SOS.

Is it so hard for you to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter what is on the table... as of Nov 1st, we have no contributions into any retirement program for our pilots.

I don't expect you to realize this since you aren't even a pilot here; but we've had thousands of proposals on the table since 2003. They mean squat unless they're signed.

They are correct when they say we have no retirement contributions effective Nov 1st. You seem to be going out of your way to mislead and misinform. Why is that?

A better question might be - do management pilots still get retirement contributions eff. Nov 1st? That might be where he's getting confused.

The BK lawyers will petition the court to pay "retention bonuses" to management who stays through the BK process. It will be a nice windfall.

Then you will see them rehired with nice "post BK new company stock options".

They knew a long time ago that you don't plan retirement on tradition retirement plans. They use those plans in BK court to get the books clear after they run the company in the ground.

AA is the last to do this Harvard Business School trick.

What was it Glenn Tilton from UAL got? $40 million? I'm sure Horton & Co are just hanging on until then...