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This thread is mislabeled: should be American pilots vote NO again. Because h3ll no isn't on the ballot.

Sailor

Stop the effing world, we have got ourself a pilot with kids and a mortgage.

eaglefly

I heard enough of the town hall conference to vote no. It's just another spin from the same spinmeisters concerned with their temporary chunk of change like you. In fact, it's virtually the same deal as before with a sprinkle of sugar, but not on anything important. At least they confirmed Eagle can get Airbuses under this deal and I expect they will. I'll laugh at the dopes who voted yes, when they do.

Oh....and did I say I'm voting no ?

I am.

eaglefly

Everyone who voted yes for the first turd will vote for this one with peanuts. APA is counting on swaying enough of those who didn't to get just over 50%. Appears most yes voters are more senior and couldn't care less about scope as long as they get theirs. Most of ORD will vote for it and virtually ALL of DFW.

Sad, but predictable.

Airlinii Pilotus is always predictable.

D B Cooper

What is it about DFW and ORD? I heard the same at Eagle 99% no in NYC and LAX and 99% yes in DFW and ORD. Same company right?

Trip7

Airbuses at Eagle how?

Lower limit on seats and weights for regional feed aircraft
–76 seats, 86,000 lb. limit matches agreements at Delta and United


"I want to make clear that this is not a fantasy game of Dungeons and Dragons or Call of Duty. We are not on a fictional crusade to slay a mythical dragon or gun down the opposition. This is not a remake of “Braveheart.” This is our future, and it is imperative that you understand that we currently hold that future in our hands."

What

I belive when most people refer to Eagle operating Airbuses and other aircraft of that size they are refering to the Executive certificate. In the late 90's AMR combined all their feeders into American Eagle holdings and under that holding company they kept two out of four certificate. Simmons now known as American Eagle Airlines (currently operating jets) and Executive Airlines this is where the ATRs are assigned to. All of the ATRs are scheduled to be returned by 1st qt 2013. The executive certificate is worth a lot of money do to its capabilities, that certificate is approved for over water opearations, GPS and most importantly international. That certificate can operate from North American all the way to South America and anywhere in between. People are concerned about this because if American spins off Eagle to the shareholders then American Eagle Holdings will no longer be controlled or control AMR, the American Eagle certificate can be a feeder for American Airlines but Executive Airlines could get larger airplanes and be a new code share partner with a certificate that is more capable than any if the LCC outhere to include Southwest (I am only refering to what the certificate is certified for). This is what I belive people refer to as Eagle getting Airbuses and if not people need to pay attention because we this is a very realist scenario if management was going to do it.

eaglefly

What is exactly correct. The majority of senior pilots either think this wont happen or really don't care. Most of the junior pilots do. In APA's recent teleconference they admitted this possibility, but are so terrified of the BK process to fight it. It is even described in the TA scope language as the "New Entrant Carrier".

It's been AMR's goal to turn AA into a smaller International and long-range domestic carrier and it sounds like its about to happen. I think Eagle and others will take over a lot of the current domestic.

tsquare

When's the vote?

7576FO

Dec. 7 I'm a NO!

On our message board many are calling No voters "emotional" again.

I just cannot give that much on Scope.

AMR and the media portray this as a 4% raise, 2% raise the next year, 2% raise the next year then industry standard the 4th year of this 6 year deal.
So that NEVER NEVER NEVER could we AA pilots raise the bar like DAL UAL and SWA (UAL + 3% or DAL + 3%). Yet the loss of night pay, the loss of Int'l override pay on reserve (if you don't fly on reserve you don't get int'l override pay of CA $6 hr and FO $4.00 hr) For me becomes a small pay cut.

If this passes even though i'm voting NO, I would have to apologize for AA pilots never able to raise the bar for our fellow aviators(trix's) at the other majors.

We have never raised the bar in my career. For that i'm truly sorry.

I have lots of fight in me! I will fight.

Thanks you to the pilots of United Airlines and the pilots of Delta Airlines for standing firm and raising the bar. I regret that my compatriots at AA seem to not want to fight for what is rightfully all of our profession.

This contract would if passed with it's subjective words, would allow only a ISC never an ILC for the next decade.

7576FO