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Old 12-24-2012, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
No, but the name 'American Airlines' is an iconic "brand" and it alone has value. I can't see them relinquishing that identity. If they did, someone else would be hot to snatch it and start up or change their carriers name to it.

In the case of this merger, in 5-7 years, it really becomes a merger of American Airlines and America West as virtually all the U East pilots will be gone (along with many from AA). That is ONE aspect I would think the APA would be communicating regarding seniority consideration of a post-fence airline and that is the crux of concern for most AA pilots that are concerned. I think fences would virtually eliminate windfall for the East pilots, but relatively junior West pilots could make end runs to the Widebodies.

We shall see.
This brings up an excellent point. AA Brand recognition / etc is probably the most valuable part of this whole thing. More than routes, equipment, etc etc, which indeed generate money however big picture wise, brand is the most valuable asset AA has.

http://executiveeducation.wharton.up...your-brand.pdf
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by satpak77 View Post
This brings up an excellent point. AA Brand recognition / etc is probably the most valuable part of this whole thing. More than routes, equipment, etc etc, which indeed generate money however big picture wise, brand is the most valuable asset AA has.

http://executiveeducation.wharton.up...your-brand.pdf
Brand is really secondary, just look at the combined network in the most profitable market in the world, us east coast. There is a potential gold mine just factoring the possible feed combinations to europe, Asia,SA, Caribbean.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
but relatively junior West pilots could make end runs to the Widebodies.

We shall see.
Huh? West pilots aren't relatively "junior", west pilots have been held from their rightful seats by the east pilots. I am all for a fence for the amr wide bodies, 7 years sounds fair to me. Combined retirements really make it a moot point anyways.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:07 AM
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Huh? West pilots aren't relatively "junior", west pilots have been held from their rightful seats by the east pilots. I am all for a fence for the amr wide bodies, 7 years sounds fair to me. Combined retirements really make it a moot point anyways.
I was speaking of a post merger, post fence snapshot after most of the East has retired and relative to far more senior AA pilots. Not everything in the world revolves around your East/West dispute you know.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:21 AM
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I was speaking of a post merger, post fence snapshot after most of the East has retired and relative to far more senior AA pilots. Not everything in the world revolves around your East/West dispute you know.
I know what you mean, being downgraded for 4 years now makes me a little sensitive.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:41 AM
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The "NO to merger" thing is gaining some steam at AA. Most of the guys I talk to are very concerned about SLI and the inevitable closure of overlapping bases and assets, which knock fences down fast.

AA has the route structure and the fleet to go it alone, if not mismanaged, and if employees are treated as assets rather than labor cost units.
Unless of course you have been living under a rock, AA is today nowhere near the new United and DAL has left the building. There is no way on earth that AA could compete with either of those carriers with its current size because if it were possible wouldnt they already be doing that?? Traditional growth thru a/c orders take years and AA is sitting on some of the oldest equipment in the business. I think a merger will happen because the smart money says its the best option.

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Old 12-24-2012, 09:47 AM
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How about the savings in bringing the airbus into the fleet ? Usairways is the biggest airbus operator with training, sims, maintenance, spares etc.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:50 AM
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Exactly- US Airways is toxic. All the pilots over there want is date of hire- that's all they parrot
Know what you are talking about! We ALL dont want DOH thats an east thing and that ship sailed when the arbitrator made his ruling. Now since that time the east pilots have delayed and STOLEN their way into seats they did not deserve. Their actions have been nothing short of criminal and some of us are itching for the wrong move to be made so that we can sue all the parties involved and collect $$$$$$$$. It would be easier for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle than the company and the east pilots getting out of that arbitration. The pilots in the stolen seats are just sitting our reserve for us so thank you for that much east guys cause i hate res.

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Unless of course you have been living under a rock, AA is today nowhere near the new United and DAL has left the building. There is no way on earth that AA could compete with either of those carriers with its current size because if it were possible wouldnt they already be doing that?? Traditional growth thru a/c orders take years and AA is sitting on some of the oldest equipment in the business. I think a merger will happen because the smart money says its the best option.

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Yes, and if it HAS to happen, then I want it inside BK and will take my chances with Parker and the better opportunity to sweeten a sour deal. I don't think the SLI will be influenced by when the merge happens or who the management is.

I say we flush this toilet ASAP as it's stinking up the joint.
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I say we flush this toilet ASAP as it's stinking up the joint.
Oh that smell is just the east pilots. LOL
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