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CanoePilot 07-19-2013 03:19 PM

I love pbs, I've used it before and it works very well.

bikingflyer 07-19-2013 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 1447886)
I love pbs, I've used it before and it works very well.

I second that, PBS is great! Its just a software, what makes it GREAT is a good contract language to program it with....I am absolutely for PBS..with a good contract language

D B Cooper 07-19-2013 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by bikingflyer (Post 1447956)
I second that, PBS is great! Its just a software, what makes it GREAT is a good contract language to program it with....I am absolutely for PBS..with a good contract language

I agree, however. Given that ALPA and Management have been pushing for a B scale at Eagle, I doubt they are all too concerned with "Good contract language."
I've also heard from friends at Eagle that the FAA is increasing scrutiny and line checks of pilots, due to poor morale and Jepp revision updates.

JamesNoBrakes 07-19-2013 09:11 PM

This must be the pilot shortage I've heard so much about!

cactusmike 07-19-2013 10:05 PM

PBS is good, and our SMEs are working with APA to ensure that the issues that we do have now will be minimized.

Also heard today that the Sept 1st new hire class in PHX has been cancelled.

MrBrosef 07-20-2013 02:16 AM

PBS SUCKS.... I have been a part of line bidding and PBS. I would much rather have line bidding. PBS is a win for the company not the pilot.

7576FO 07-20-2013 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by jwes (Post 1447793)
I guess I don't mind since I'm doing better at eagle then the first 4 years at AA... With the pay increases soon at AA and it gives me more time to save here at eagle.... Although PBS is coming and it's gonna be hell on my paycheck!!!
... Another move by management to move the carrot further away....



Eagle Capt RJ pay 12 yr $92. hour - 18 year $104 hour

AA 4th year pay 73/S80/75/76 $96-104. hour


So you are so addicted to overtime pay at Eagle that you cannot come to AA?

Add 8% Jan 1, 2014 to AA 4th year pay.


You will work less, and enjoy work more.


I flew for Horizon Air for 9 years.


Perhaps the correct answer is: You cannot afford to stay at Eagle since the "Rob Zombie" writing is on the wall.

Good luck to you.

NC3rd 07-20-2013 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by MrBrosef (Post 1448039)
PBS SUCKS.... I have been a part of line bidding and PBS. I would much rather have line bidding. PBS is a win for the company not the pilot.

This is correct. The company can now run the pilot group more efficiently which will mean less days off and less hiring. A lot has to do with how te rules are written, but in my opinion this is no win for the pilots. Sounds the wheels are already in motion for it, so might as well focus on trying to make it the best we can.

oldcarpilot 07-20-2013 06:01 AM

Look to ASA's PBS. It is overwhelmingly liked there. They have a lot of input to how it's run.

bikingflyer 07-20-2013 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by oldcarpilot (Post 1448086)
Look to ASA's PBS. It is overwhelmingly liked there. They have a lot of input to how it's run.

YUP! It's all in what you get in the language. Between the language and learning to bid properly, I was happy with what I got! I spent 80% of my time on RSV at ASA when I was employed at ASA, however I was able to turn a one week worth of vacation to 2.5-3weeks off most of the time with PBS. Do that to three weeks of vaca and that's almost 25% of yr off.

As a line holder I always wanted to work over the weekend so getting a decent line wasn't bad either....but like I said its all about language and learning to bid properly...I hope we get PBS here at US/American.

On the other note, I don't see any problem with company trying to be efficient to run a business. It's our (unions) job to get good language in the contract. I guess we will wait and see on what happens, line bidding takes too much of my off time to sort thru stuff, on the other hand tell PBS what you want and it will do as much as it can to get you almost ALMOST all of your wishes depending on your seniority. And you can xfer one month of bids to the other and tweak it. So there is no sorting thru lines every month to see what you want to bid.

That's just my point of view, you don't have to agree with it.


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