Some are. And if by some miracle the DPA gets elected in, I think you'll find a similar contingent of ALPA die hards looking to do anything to destroy the DPA.

Emotion is the root of irrational thought, and there are those that have strong emotional connections to each entity. Those are the ones you have to worry about.

The direct parallel to usapa isn't a great analogy, but it does work on some levels. The divide amongst usair/awa pilots has no parallel. That is the key underlying cause. As a contrast, DPA has many supporters hailing from each of the pre merger airlines; there are other underlying issues at play.

With unity among pilots, DPA possibly could function and get good industry leading contracts like the IPA and SWAPA have achieved. We've got a profitable company, now we need to get appropriate gains from that. Being divided won't work, and we need to get this behind us for the next round of negotiations.

Mods: Doesn't this belong in the "If DAL leaves ALPA" thread? Better yet, move it to the Union Talk forum where it belongs. Actually, why not just spare everyone and lock this flame bait up now.

What? Don't be ridiculous. You cannot compare DPA to USAPA. DPA get the big issues... Namely the conflict of interest between ALPA majors and regionals.

Enjoy your "validation," but no level of ALPA fear mongering will make DPA anything like USAPA.

You're just gasping for any negative reference to USAPA.

This quote must have really made your day.

Well lets see here lil wood, that terms was reserved for you usappy clowns who just like the first post said promised the moon and delivered **** instead. You people busted a union because you felt that you should not have to honor your obligations under that arbitration. The DAL pilots never did that they took what they got and moved on to bigger and better while you stare LOA 93 in the teeth for yet another year.

WD at AWA

LOA 93 for another year is optimistic. I think the merger will not be approved in its present form and Parker will be recruited to run the new American. US will lose top management. The delay and no contract will continue for years.
We have a happy pilot group who keeps the operation on time and saves fuel. Why would management give a contract and stop the East/West division?

Most I have spoken with voted ALPA off, rather than actually vote somebody else in, due to a bunch of events other than the arbitration. The arbitration merely broke the camel's back.

As for LOA 93, you are stuck on it as well. In fact, you have been stuck on it for much longer than the East pilots if you are a legacy AW pilot. You should be used to low pay. Perhaps a quick check of the walls before you cast that stone.

You cannot get some westies (and others it seems) to believe this, even though it is a fact. There is no way that just those really mad about the Nic could have gotten rid of ALPA on their own. I'd say the handling of the pension and LOA 93 were bigger factors.

I guess if reality doesn't fit your argument you have to come up with your own reality.

....and yet 100% of USAPA's focus since then has been only about the Nic, merger or not. Regaining/resolving the other two have seem to fallen out of sight of their rear-view mirror, long ago.

I find the assertion that the Nic was a "last straw" issue to be as much of a rationalization/excuse as any other claim. :cool:

Just my observation..........

That's not true, but you are not here to see the other things going on. Neither side has been willing to let the Nic fight go, but the west has made EVERYTHING about the NIC. They fight us on every single issue, and most have nothing to do with the Nic.

You can believe the last straw argument or not, but I was here. I voted for ALPA for several different reasons, none of them being that I actually had a high opinion of ALPA. Without the support of the senior guys that were unaffected, or only slightly affected by the Nic, USAPA would not have been elected.

If we were not a divided pilot group over the SLI I would have voted for an independent union in a heartbeat. You should have seen the obscene amount of money ALPA threw at us to get us to stay.

Today I would have been better off, given the amount of time that has passed and my age, had the Nic been settled. LOA 93, but more so the handling of the pension (among other issues) were the main reasons.The handling of the Nic. was just the proverbial straw.