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Old 09-02-2013, 06:14 AM
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I've often disagreed with my CLT reps, sometimes in heated conversations. The same with this letter. Some things in it are a stretch, some I agree with, but I generally disagree with tactics. They think I'm weak, I think they ignore reality.

But, no matter what side you are on, I think we can agree that this management team has acted badly towards us. For the west, would you agree that they signed the TA and they should have stood up for what it said? You aren't happy with them on that are you?
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Old 09-02-2013, 06:18 AM
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I agree, dp uses us againt each other and it's a convinient excuse of the senority disagreement to not negotiate a jcba.
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Old 09-02-2013, 07:06 AM
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I agree, dp uses us againt each other and it's a convinient excuse of the senority disagreement to not negotiate a jcba.
What's the point? He knows USAPA will never accept the Nic, and he's not about to be drug into the lawsuits by negotiating a JCBA that throws out the Nic.

Every single bad thing that has happened to the USAir East guys since the merger, is a direct fallout of their refusal to accept binding arbitration.

Just one outsider's opinion.
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What's the point? He knows USAPA will never accept the Nic, and he's not about to be drug into the lawsuits by negotiating a JCBA that throws out the Nic.

Every single bad thing that has happened to the USAir East guys since the merger, is a direct fallout of their refusal to accept binding arbitration.

Just one outsider's opinion.

I disagree.

Just one insider's opinion--well, semi-insider
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Old 09-02-2013, 08:04 AM
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Just one outsider's opinion.

You are WRONG. Ignorant or just uninformed, I don't know, but wrong. As an outsider you either cannot, or don't take the time to get the whole picture.

Your statement is like saying WWI was started because the Germans invaded France.
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Old 09-02-2013, 08:43 AM
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It is ridiculous that USAPA won't engage in a coordinated Government outreach and overtly support this merger.

The sentence about "unsolicited support" is mind blowing. In other words, we've decided this issue and don't want your input.

What a bitter and aggressively written document.

USAPA should change their attitude and approach. I'm proUSAPA, but so many messages they generate are appalling!
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I disagree.

Just one insider's opinion--well, semi-insider
I know you do. But what you and R57 Relay may not realize, though I suspect you do, is how many individuals, not associated with East or West in any way, side with USAPA? VERY, VERY few...
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Old 09-02-2013, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
You are WRONG. Ignorant or just uninformed, I don't know, but wrong. As an outsider you either cannot, or don't take the time to get the whole picture.

Your statement is like saying WWI was started because the Germans invaded France.
Well, I'm an outsider and all of the above. I just have one question.

Do you think you (the pilots at USAir) would be in this same situation, without a new contract in (how many years?) if the Nic had been accepted?

I'm not making a judgement for or against the Nic. It's not my place too. Just asking if you really believe you would be in the same situation all these years later?

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Old 09-02-2013, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by flybywire44 View Post
It is ridiculous that USAPA won't engage in a coordinated Government outreach and overtly support this merger.

The sentence about "unsolicited support" is mind blowing. In other words, we've decided this issue and don't want your input.

What a bitter and aggressively written document.

USAPA should change their attitude and approach. I'm proUSAPA, but so many messages they generate are appalling!
I agree 100%. I'm too new to know the full history on everything that's happened since Contract 98 to present day or everything that has happened with the USAir/America West merger, but I was floored when I read that last night. I cannot believe people can be so petty. I know there will be a regime change in one of the base very soon. I hope it's for the better. I'm afraid to write my reps with my disgust for the fear of the backlash I might receive. I'm just a 3rd-lister who isn't paying dues, yet. What do I know?
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane View Post
Well, I'm an outsider and all of the above. I just have one question.

Do you think you (the pilots at USAir) would be in this same situation, without a new contract in (how many years?) if the Nic had been accepted?

I'm not making a judgement for or against the Nic. It's not my place too. Just asking if you really believe you would be in the same situation all these years later?

Denny

I think that this is the real question and the answer is that there would have been no change. DP would have found some other reason to keep the East working at bankruptcy wages. I accept that I am biased but I hope that even if the shoe were on the other foot, that I would NEVER react in the way that has just been demonstrated on this thread. To twist a situation in which management had abused a fellow pilot group- ANY fellow pilot group, into a scenario that somehow painted the PILOTS as asking for it is obscene.
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