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Old 11-15-2013, 10:37 AM   #1  
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What are the junior bases for UsAir. I realize it won't be for a few years, just curious how it stands right now.
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Probably dc and philly.
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E190 PHL. You will hold a line with some weekend time off before you could get off reserve on the AB.

Agree that PHL and DCA are junior to CLT.
DCA could become more senior if crews are reduced in conjunction with slot reductions
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Right now there's not a huge difference in seniority between the bases. It seems to vary bid by bid. Anyone with more than 5 months seniority (who isn't seat locked to the E190) can hold any east base. PHL and DCA will get you to a block marginally faster.

As of the February bid, guys hired mid to late 2011 are holding secondary blocks on the Airbus.

If you are looking at it from the perspective of an AA pilot, I'd suspect that by the time we are able to bid each other's bases a lot will have changed including East/West seniority integration throwing Phoenix into the mix. I would expect Phoenix to become the senior base, since I don't forecast it growing and the Westies will come away with significant seniority no matter how the whole Nic fiasco plays out, simply based upon the number of pilots hired after them.

I don't expect DCA to shrink based upon statements Parker and Horton have made but anything is possible.
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Right now there's not a huge difference in seniority between the bases. It seems to vary bid by bid. Anyone with more than 5 months seniority (who isn't seat locked to the E190) can hold any east base. PHL and DCA will get you to a block marginally faster.

As of the February bid, guys hired mid to late 2011 are holding secondary blocks on the Airbus.

If you are looking at it from the perspective of an AA pilot, I'd suspect that by the time we are able to bid each other's bases a lot will have changed including East/West seniority integration throwing Phoenix into the mix. I would expect Phoenix to become the senior base, since I don't forecast it growing and the Westies will come away with significant seniority no matter how the whole Nic fiasco plays out, simply based upon the number of pilots hired after them.

I don't expect DCA to shrink based upon statements Parker and Horton have made but anything is possible.
July 2011 new hires are still on a319 reserve in Philadelphia. However, they are projected to hold a319 lines in February, but I think December/January might be when u start seeing July, 2011 new hires hold a PHL 319 lines.

It's also worth mentioning that an October 2012 new hire will also hold a line in Philly in February.

So right now the time to hold a line in Philadelphia on the Airbus is dropping from two years and seven/eight months to a year and three/four months!!!!

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July 2011 new hires are still on a319 reserve in Philadelphia. However, they are projected to hold a319 lines in February, but I think December/January might be when u start seeing July, 2011 new hires hold a PHL 319 lines.

It's also worth mentioning that an October 2012 new hire will also hold a line in Philly in February.

So right now the time to hold a line in Philadelphia on the Airbus is dropping from two years and seven/eight months to a year and three/four months!!!!

July 2012 and fall 2012 guys have caught sporadic secondaries in DCA as well.


Looking forward at the Jan pairings and open time, it looks like one of the unintended consequences of FAR117 is that there may be a goodly amount of secondaries.
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Pilots that started Indoc on September 30 have already been awarded CLT on the latest bid, and they are not even out of training yet. CLT is probably most senior, but as you can see, it can be held quick. E190 is most junior as far as aircraft is concerned due to the pay. It only takes about three months to hold a block on that airplane. Upgrade on it is a little over a year. Also, on the latest bid, the most junior 767 FO has only one year seniority. Things are moving quick here.

When the MOU rates kick in, people might bid different. Who knows? I guess we will find out when the time comes.
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Pilots that started Indoc on September 30 have already been awarded CLT on the latest bid, and they are not even out of training yet. CLT is probably most senior, but as you can see, it can be held quick. E190 is most junior as far as aircraft is concerned due to the pay. It only takes about three months to hold a block on that airplane. Upgrade on it is a little over a year. Also, on the latest bid, the most junior 767 FO (in CLT) has only one year seniority. Things are moving quick here.

When the MOU rates kick in, people might bid different. Who knows? I guess we will find out when the time comes.
The most junior 767 FO in CLT.

I think there were a couple new hires awarded the 767. I wish I could have seen their faces when they knew they were going to hold it!
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The 76 is not an ideal place for a new hire. You get some domestic, but flying the 190, 73 or 320 is a much better place to learn the company.
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I imagine the 767 may stick around longer than planned due to the merger? More vacancies in the future?
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