AA Remaining furloughee analysis?
01-31-2014, 05:42 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Hoss
Eagle flow-through pilots did not get any advantage on the seniority list as a result of the law-suit. The ruling simply allowed them to flow-up ahead of more junior furloughed guys. Yes, it was a raw deal for the furloughed guys as it delayed our recall for several months.
I hope this answers some of your questions.
I hope this answers some of your questions.
Water under the bridge, anyway.
01-31-2014, 06:29 AM
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There is a simple fact that many folks seem to be confused on with regard to this (and all other) SLIs. NO EXISTING LIST WILL BE REORDERED, AT ALL, EVER.
There are a lot of things to argue about ... methodologies, ratios, dates, relative positions, the strengths and weaknesses, assets and liabilities brought by the parties to the merger. These and others will all be laid before the arbitration panel when the time comes.
I don't know how this will ultimately turn out, but if Jones is senior to Smith on the pre-merger AA list, he will be senior to Smith on the merged list. He may be one number senior to Smith, or there could be dozens (or even hundreds) of pilots from the other group placed between them.
I thought this was Seniority 101, but it seems lots of people are cloudy on this concept.
There are a lot of things to argue about ... methodologies, ratios, dates, relative positions, the strengths and weaknesses, assets and liabilities brought by the parties to the merger. These and others will all be laid before the arbitration panel when the time comes.
I don't know how this will ultimately turn out, but if Jones is senior to Smith on the pre-merger AA list, he will be senior to Smith on the merged list. He may be one number senior to Smith, or there could be dozens (or even hundreds) of pilots from the other group placed between them.
I thought this was Seniority 101, but it seems lots of people are cloudy on this concept.
01-31-2014, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 70Espada
Does anyone know the DOH of the last AA pilot hired? I'm not talking about the Eagle flow throughs that never flew mainline, just the last guy to set foot on the property at AA, furloughed or not. I was just trying to remember when AA stopped hiring and couldn't remember if they were hiring right up to 9/11 or not. Thanks in advance.
01-31-2014, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 70Espada
Maybe i need to be more specific. What date was the last new hire class for mainline, prior to bankruptcy?
01-31-2014, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NC3rd
The real question is, and im sure no one knows for sure, but how many of these 1000 bypasses will be accepting a recall. Would you leave your current gig as a Captain to come back to AA as an FO?
BTW: LOS = Length of Service, i.e., credit for time served on furlough.
01-31-2014, 09:39 AM
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I think where the APA might be gun shy about going after credited time for LOS on furlough, might be looking at the East list. If they get credited time for their furloughees within the SLI, then I would imagine what is good for the goose is good for the gander? Wouldn't they have to agree to accepting credit for time served on furlough for the East guys too?
01-31-2014, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
I believe the last new hire class (before we just recently started hiring this month) was just days before 9/11.
Originally Posted by TQ Nola
I don't know the exact date of the last class, but AA was hiring right up to 9/11. There wasn't another 'new hire' class until just recently (December?), but we did start getting eagle flowthroughs again a year or two ago. I believe those flow-throughs already had seniority numbers.
I hope I didn't sound like I was ignoring the Eagle guys seniority, just wanted to know last guys hired (non Air group), off the street, to jog my memory.
01-31-2014, 10:05 AM
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I thought length of service was giving furloughed guys credit for time they had spent on property, not time being on furlough status.
The example would be a guy with 6 years on property but is currently furloughed being given credit for the 6 years he had been active versus a 3 year active pilot at the other merger partner.
In some SLIs the furloughed pilots are placed below active pilots, in others the time on active service is taken into consideration. It all depends on the circumstances and the way the arbitrator looks at the facts.
The example would be a guy with 6 years on property but is currently furloughed being given credit for the 6 years he had been active versus a 3 year active pilot at the other merger partner.
In some SLIs the furloughed pilots are placed below active pilots, in others the time on active service is taken into consideration. It all depends on the circumstances and the way the arbitrator looks at the facts.
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