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PRS Guitars 09-03-2014 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 1718600)
So, I'm hearing that the E190 is flying shuttle routes now.

I hear seniority is moving fast, and I see that the most junior upgrade is about 1.5 years.

Looks like when you upgrade, you make first year pay for the rest of your first year as captain.

Any intel on what those E190 schedules are like compared to the bus (length of trips, time until you can hold a line, etc?)

Sure would be great to find out more about E190 QOL vs the airbus. I'm seeing very little intel online.

thx!

Yes, mostly shuttle flying, but I like that. I have a 1 hour bladder, so it works out perfectly for me. Also, I'm used to flying 1 hour sorties and enjoy flying to BOS, LGA and DCA. As for movement, I'm consistently 25 or so numbers worse in reality vs on the permanent bids. Here is how it has worked out.

6 weeks training in PHX/CLT
About three weeks for OE (including time off)

2 months short call
2 months long call
2 months secondary (got good lines both times, and good to me is days off not hours when I'm making only $40 per hour)

--Primary line with a few below me (but still awarded one of my top 30 lines, all same day commutable on both ends, though I'm conservative and fly out the night before).

So, from DOH, about 6 months to a secondary, 8 to a primary. My DCA and CLT classmates were on short call reserve my first month holding a primary. And my PHL AB classmates were on Long call reserve at that time.

jcountry 09-08-2014 09:45 AM

Just curious about something else:

I have already done the new hire appointment (fingerprints, drug test, etc.)

Wondering what happens next. I understand that they are sending out a Fedex package (which I guess must have all the info and arrangements for class.)

Anyone remember how far in advance of class they got the package?

Just curious as to when I should expect something like that.

thx!

LIOG41 09-08-2014 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 1718931)
Yes, mostly shuttle flying, but I like that. I have a 1 hour bladder, so it works out perfectly for me. Also, I'm used to flying 1 hour sorties and enjoy flying to BOS, LGA and DCA. As for movement, I'm consistently 25 or so numbers worse in reality vs on the permanent bids. Here is how it has worked out.

6 weeks training in PHX/CLT
About three weeks for OE (including time off)

2 months short call
2 months long call
2 months secondary (got good lines both times, and good to me is days off not hours when I'm making only $40 per hour)

--Primary line with a few below me (but still awarded one of my top 30 lines, all same day commutable on both ends, though I'm conservative and fly out the night before).

So, from DOH, about 6 months to a secondary, 8 to a primary. My DCA and CLT classmates were on short call reserve my first month holding a primary. And my PHL AB classmates were on Long call reserve at that time.

At a legacy airline you like 4-5 legs PER day over a four day trip in the busiest most congested airports while waiting 30-60 min for flow on the ground for each leg with **** weather and too much chatter on the radio, not to mention a cramped cockpit, and extremely uncomfortable seats? No wonder so many people are calling in fatigued these days for the shuttle 190 flying. The 5 leg days need to stop.

DCA A321 FO 09-08-2014 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by LIOG41 (Post 1722868)
At a legacy airline you like 4-5 legs PER day over a four day trip in the busiest most congested airports while waiting 30-60 min for flow on the ground for each leg with **** weather and too much chatter on the radio, not to mention a cramped cockpit, and extremely uncomfortable seats? No wonder so many people are calling in fatigued these days for the shuttle 190 flying. The 5 leg days need to stop.

Cannot speak for the 190 but 5 legs on the AB was easy and fun out of DCA and a money maker.

We had good BOS and LGA layovers back in the day.

Skubajet 09-08-2014 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 1718600)
So, I'm hearing that the E190 is flying shuttle routes now.

I hear seniority is moving fast, and I see that the most junior upgrade is about 1.5 years.

Looks like when you upgrade, you make first year pay for the rest of your first year as captain.

Any intel on what those E190 schedules are like compared to the bus (length of trips, time until you can hold a line, etc?)

Sure would be great to find out more about E190 QOL vs the airbus. I'm seeing very little intel online.

thx!

After 7-8 months on the 190, I was getting 16-17 days off each month plus all weekends off...

PRS Guitars 09-08-2014 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by LIOG41 (Post 1722868)
At a legacy airline you like 4-5 legs PER day over a four day trip in the busiest most congested airports while waiting 30-60 min for flow on the ground for each leg with **** weather and too much chatter on the radio, not to mention a cramped cockpit, and extremely uncomfortable seats? No wonder so many people are calling in fatigued these days for the shuttle 190 flying. The 5 leg days need to stop.

When you put it that way...it does sound kind of bad...

Really though, I like it because I'm new to the airline industry. I don't really know anything different yet. I wanted to do some tough flying my first year to learn and see what it's like. I will be jumping to the AB in year two, but mainly due to pay.

DCA A321 FO 09-08-2014 06:04 PM

If some of you guys don't like doing the River Visual 3 times a day there is something wrong with you.

izzy 09-08-2014 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO (Post 1722981)
If some of you guys don't like doing the River Visual 3 times a day there is something wrong with you.

Maybe if I could do it three times a day a could finally do it right again:-) I did it fairly regularly on the 757 over a decade ago, and could do a respectable job. Since being on the bus I've done it once in a blue moon and usually look like a monkey with his football.

DCA A321 FO 09-09-2014 02:31 AM

I never got tired of seeing the monuments and the Pentagon.

3X DME, 400 AGL over the bridge, hard right turn, wave to soccer guys, go for undershoot always worked.

FreighterGuyNow 09-09-2014 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO (Post 1722981)
If some of you guys don't like doing the River Visual 3 times a day there is something wrong with you.

There is nothing I want to do 3 times a day :)


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